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    Choose your own special holiday
    Festivus.

    For the rest of us.

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    seek to place a symbol of observance during that period.
    That would be the Festivus pole.

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    Festivus.

    For the rest of us.



    That would be the Festivus pole.
    If I remember correctly one community did allow the construction of a festivus pole on town hall property


    the probkem with that is festivvus is obviously a made up holiday originally intended as a tongue in cheek poke at the Christian observance of Christmas while non-Christians were left out


    personally i dont have a probkem with others being left out because it is a Christian holiday. Now, I don't have a problem with other religions placing a display during one of their prime holidays though. Just quit bitchin' about a Christmas display b

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    Thomas Jefferson was never in the the legislature nor was he in the judiciary. He could write opinion papers or even make pronouncements as President of the US, but they don't mean much today.

    The reason the bill of rights was indeed AMENDMENTS to the Constitution is touched on in the quote passage. Some people (including Jefferson) believed that rights were inherent (as he would put it endowed to them by their creator) rather than being granted as matter of law. Hence there was strong opposition to enumerating specific rights in the Constitution. Others, looked at the long history of British law, and mindful of certain oppressions of that which they had just freed themselves of, not the least of which was their freedom of religious expression in light of an established national church, wanted a specific declaration of rights (which has roots in British law, there were several historical British Bills of Rights). The compromise was reached with the tenth amendment which reserves rights, even not specifically enumerated, TO THE PEOPLE.

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    If I remember correctly one community did allow the construction of a festivus pole on town hall property


    the probkem with that is festivvus is obviously a made up holiday originally intended as a tongue in cheek poke at the Christian observance of Christmas while non-Christians were left out


    personally i dont have a probkem with others being left out because it is a Christian holiday. Now, I don't have a problem with other religions placing a display during one of their prime holidays though. Just quit bitchin' about a Christmas display b
    Those of the Jewish and Islamic faith recognize Jesus as a great teacher, and don't have a problem with Christians celebrating his birth. It's the offended class that doesn't have the first clue.

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    Those of the Jewish and Islamic faith recognize Jesus as a great teacher, and don't have a problem with Christians celebrating his birth. It's the offended class that doesn't have the first clue.
    Most people, regardless of religion, do not have a problem with Christians or persons of any religion practicing their faith so long as their practices do not interfere with others. Obviously, though, a few of every religion, Christains included, believe that no one should practice only their religion and seek to impose their religion on others. Thankfully, the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government from aiding those folks in imposing their religious beliefs on everyone.

    What upsets more people, though, is when the government seems to prefer one religion over another by, for example, putting up the religious symbols of one religion to the exclusion of others. It seems to me that many Christians do not fully appreciate just how pervasive that practice was, and to some extent still is. I understand why they like it that way and don’t want it to change, but this is supposed to be a nation where the government is neutral on religion and favors none of them.

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    I agree BUT what other religion typically mounts such a display at this time of the year? I don't kniw other religions very well but from what I do know other faiths tend to be more subdued. A Jewish menorah maybe for Passover? Can't think of ever seeing a Muslim display of any sort ever.

    Of of course those displays would be proper in their proper season whether it coincide with Christmas or not.

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