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    Default Re: Exhibition of Speed Ticket, VC 23109 C (M)

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    There is no such thing as a "traffic lawyer". That is not a legal specialty! And any "lawyer" who goes through the trouble of becoming a lawyer only to end up strictly handling traffic matters, lacks the motivation and the gall to be a real lawyer. The only specialty that is related to traffic would be DUIs but those are CRIMINAL matters before anything else. I can say from personal experience that most criminal defense lawyers would find it offensive if you were to simply ask them to handle a traffic citation for you...
    You seem a little nitpicky here. Surely you can’t be suggesting that no attorneys limit their practice to only driving offenses? Of course that would also include criminal driving offenses, and the context of this thread does involve a misdemeanor.

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    Last but certainly not least, and no matter how simple traffic law might be (compared to other areas of the law) the mere suggestion that anyone would consider thinking (let alone posting) to suggest that traffic cases could be handled "in bulk" is beyond clueless... What does that even mean? How can anyone handle cases in bulk when even with simple as they are, no two cases are alike?
    Your statement does not appear specific to a location, so I will simply speak from my own experience. I’ve observed on multiple occasions in traffic court an attorney who restricts her practice only to criminal and civil traffic matters. She typically stands up with an armload of case files and proceeds to make pretrial motions for at least a few clients, sometimes more. I never saw one NOT get dismissed, and one judge praised her professionalism. It certainly wasn’t rocket science, however. A few different motions were used repeatedly, and several tickets could be cleared in 5 minutes. I got my own ticket dismissed simply by copying her.

    To my way of thinking, the true underlying issue here might be what qualifies a person to post on this forum. Must they speak from some area of expertise or can they simply share a personal experience that might apply in some way to the OP's question?

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    Default Re: Exhibition of Speed Ticket, VC 23109 C (M)

    Actually TG, I used a lawyer over by Chicago who specialized in traffic among other things. The way he put it was he would stop down to discuss the active cases he had while socializing. He clarified what you would accept an citation amendment to prior to this.

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    Default Re: Exhibition of Speed Ticket, VC 23109 C (M)

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    You seem a little nitpicky here. Surely you can’t be suggesting that no attorneys limit their practice to only driving offenses? Of course that would also include criminal driving offenses, and the context of this thread does involve a misdemeanor.



    Your statement does not appear specific to a location, so I will simply speak from my own experience. I’ve observed on multiple occasions in traffic court an attorney who restricts her practice only to criminal and civil traffic matters. She typically stands up with an armload of case files and proceeds to make pretrial motions for at least a few clients, sometimes more. I never saw one NOT get dismissed, and one judge praised her professionalism. It certainly wasn’t rocket science, however. A few different motions were used repeatedly, and several tickets could be cleared in 5 minutes. I got my own ticket dismissed simply by copying her.

    To my way of thinking, the true underlying issue here might be what qualifies a person to post on this forum. Must they speak from some area of expertise or can they simply share a personal experience that might apply in some way to the OP's question?
    I have also seen lawyers in traffic court doing the same thing - handle multiple cases from a stack of files. So it would be lucrative to charge only 100 - $250 per client when it only took a few minutes per case 'handled in bulk'. And like you said, their effectiveness in getting cases dismissed is impressive and repeatable.

    As for there not being such a thing as a 'traffic lawyer'. Well, has anyone ever heard of a Licensed Finish Carpenter? I have. To TG's logic, there can't be one because there is no such category of sub-contractor in the California State Contractor's Board. But they do exist because I know one personally.

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    Default Re: Exhibition of Speed Ticket, VC 23109 C (M)

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    Actually TG, I used a lawyer over by Chicago who specialized in traffic among other things. The way he put it was he would stop down to discuss the active cases he had while socializing. He clarified what you would accept an citation amendment to prior to this.
    I am strictly talking about California.
    This thread was started based on a citation that occurred in California.
    The offer to provide the OP with the name of the attorney was again, based on his citation being in California and the attorney working out of San Diego, California.

    In response I offered that there are no attorneys who would specialize in "traffic law" and offered supporting evidence that the California State Bar does not recognize that specialty in this state. with "this" referring to "California"

    So how does Chicago come in to refute anything I posted?

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    You were not specific and appeared to generalize in your answer. Further, your assertion though an attempt to be helpful can be disproved by a Google of "traffic attorney san diego" which bring up several attornies eager to handle such cases.

    There is no such thing as a "traffic lawyer". That is not a legal specialty! And any "lawyer" who goes through the trouble of becoming a lawyer only to end up strictly handling traffic matters, lacks the motivation and the gall to be a real lawyer. The only specialty that is related to traffic would be DUIs but those are CRIMINAL matters before anything else. I can say from personal experience that most criminal defense lawyers would find it offensive if you were to simply ask them to handle a traffic citation for you... With the exception of your one referral you continue to offer.


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    I am strictly talking about California.
    This thread was started based on a citation that occurred in California.
    The offer to provide the OP with the name of the attorney was again, based on his citation being in California and the attorney working out of San Diego, California.

    In response I offered that there are no attorneys who would specialize in "traffic law" and offered supporting evidence that the California State Bar does not recognize that specialty in this state. with "this" referring to "California"

    So how does Chicago come in to refute anything I posted?

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    As for there not being such a thing as a 'traffic lawyer'.
    I asked you a simple task... To go through the list of specialty composed by the California State Bar, and show me where is it that you see "Traffic Attorney" as a specialty.

    Instead of answering the obvious "there is no such category", you shift over to Carpentry and the California State Contractor's Board

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    Well, has anyone ever heard of a Licensed Finish Carpenter? I have. To TG's logic, there can't be one because there is no such category of sub-contractor in the California State Contractor's Board. But they do exist because I know one personally.
    This is not about the State Contractor's Board, it isn't about finish carpentry and it isn't about whether you know a licensed finish carpenter or not. But to further show that even when given abn opportunity to recover, you end up providing nothing less than what has become the norm, for you... ^^ More of your idiotic drivel ^^...

    For anyone to claim being licensed in anything, there has to be some sort of regulatory body that would test his knowledge and ability and if he can pass, then he would qualify himself as a "licensed <specialty name>"; otherwise his claim that he is licensed means nothing if he is not licensed by some greater authority!

    With that said, the idiocy of your claim becomes apparent when one finds out that the California State Contractor's Board does in fact provide for a category where someone could get licensed as a "Cabinet, Millwork and Finish Carpentry Contractor"... So it isn't inconceivable that someone could offer their services as being a "Licensed Finish Carpenter"

    C6 - Cabinet, Millwork and Finish Carpentry Contractor

    California Code of Regulations
    Title 16, Division 8, Article 3. Classifications

    A cabinet, millwork and finish carpentry contractor makes cabinets, cases, sashes, doors, trims, nonbearing partitions and other items of "finish carpentry" by cutting, surfacing, joining, gluing and fabricating wood or other products to provide a functional surface. This contractor also places, erects, and finishes such cabinets and millwork in structures.

    The amendments made to this section in 2002 shall become operative January 1, 2003, or as soon thereafter as administratively feasible, whereupon the C-6 Cabinet, Millwork and Finish Carpentry classification shall replace the C-5 Carpentry, Cabinet and Millwork classification on any license unless the qualifier for the license has passed the C-5 Carpentry, Cabinet and Millwork trade exam on or after January 10, 2000, or held the C-5 classification prior to that date.

    Authority cited: Sections 7008 and 7059, Reference: Sections 7058 and 7059 (Business and Professions Code)

    If this isn't sufficient to prove what a dimwit you are I don't know what is!





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    You were not specific and appeared to generalize in your answer.
    I cited and linked the California State Bar and stated that here is no such category listed there. How would that relate to an attorney that you hired in Chicago, Illinois? Better yet, how is it not being specific and generalizing my answer?

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    Further, your assertion though an attempt to be helpful can be disproved by a Google of "traffic attorney san diego" which bring up several attornies eager to handle such cases.
    Have you contacted any of those attorneys? And if not, how would you know how "eager" they would be to handle such cases?

    And aside from "eager" which really means nothing until you speak to them and are able to gauge how "eager" they really are, can you offer with any degree of certainty that they are (see the quote below) "good and inexpensive"?

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    If it happened in San Diego County there is a good, inexpensive one down there.
    And if you saw that someone had posted that ^^ exact remark only to later have him come back to deny making such an offer, would you side with him as having offered helpful information or would his offer and his subsequent denial deserve being called on?

    I haven't lied about anything so what's your point? What is it you're trying to prove?

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    Default Re: Exhibition of Speed Ticket, VC 23109 C (M)

    Not to be Capt. Obvious, a misdemeanor is criminal law. If honestly appears you delving into Reductio Ad Absurdem on this one.

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    I want to first say that the moderator should feel free to move this over to the 'banter' forum. Hard heads soften slowly.

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    I asked you a simple task... To go through the list of specialty composed by the California State Bar, and show me where is it that you see "Traffic Attorney" as a specialty.
    You did not ask me to go through anything. You used the Bar categories to support your assertion that there was no such thing as a 'traffic lawyer'. Well there is, regardless of whether there is a sub category listing at the Bar Association or not. If there were a group of lawyers that only sued doctors over toenail infections then they would probably be called 'toenail lawyers'. It may not be proper with the Bar but it is with us laypeople for advertising, identifying and branding purposes.

    Instead of answering the obvious "there is no such category", you shift over to Carpentry and the California State Contractor's Board
    I never said there was no such formal category. I said there are lawyers that seem to only handle traffic cases, such as the one I just retained. They identify themselves to us as Traffic Lawyers. Maybe that is slang in terms of the Bar Association but so is Trial Lawyer, and we all know what that is. Or maybe you don't because there is no formal category for it. How about Divorce Lawyers? No such category, but I know they identify themselves as that.

    [I][FONT=Arial][INDENT]C6 - Cabinet, Millwork and Finish Carpentry Contractor
    Read closely. See the 'and' in there. It should be 'or' for you to make any sense. A cabinetmaker likely performs some tasks of a finish carpenter, but a finish carpenter is a far cry from a cabinetmaker. I suppose you build homes and know this field better than me too. There is no finish carpenter category at CSLB, yet there are licensed finish carpenters…just like there are traffic lawyers. But probably just in big cities where there is enough to keep them busy.

    I cited and linked the California State Bar and stated that here is no such category listed there. How would that relate to an attorney that you hired in Chicago, Illinois? Better yet, how is it not being specific and generalizing my answer?
    You and I were speaking of lawyers in general. Not lawyers from only CA. You also said lawyers cost upward of $1,500 for a traffic offense. Wrong again.

    Have you contacted any of those attorneys? And if not, how would you know how "eager" they would be to handle such cases?
    I have. Two of them in recent weeks. How many have you contacted to prove otherwise. I assume none.

    Your problem TG [toughguy], is that you are too invested in being right. You absolutely disregard forum rules by speaking in a degrading fashion to people you do not even know. You engage in name calling. You do not keep track of when you are flat out wrong, and when you are, you use wordsmithing to weasel out it.

    Everything is not validated and proven by quoting the written laws. Half of the practiced law is how it is interpreted and enforce in the courtroom…something you seem to have no experience with. Or if you do, please start validating your claims of futility and guilt with your experience in the courtroom.

    I apologize to the moderators and those who read this. I could only take the childish, lowclass name calling for so long.

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    If honestly appears you delving into Reductio Ad Absurdem on this one.
    I believe that is supposed to be: "Reductio ad absurdum" and honestly, if you can't spell it, you should refrain from using it. But go ahead... Pretend you're more sophisticated... All while you cannot answer one single question I asked of you!

    I ask you one thing, and you respond with a completely different issue... No specific goal to speak of. No particular direction.

    My apologies for giving you a lot more credit than you obviously deserved. This actually makes it pretty obvious why 99% of your posts are limited to one or two sentences.

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    If you must know I suffer increasing memory and cognition deficits. I won't debate the issue of sophistication, it is moot for our purposes here. That said, I have no doubt my IQ and experience are totally comparable to yours. I just do not always have access to it. If you were as smart as you are pretending to be in this thread, you would have picked up on repetitive issues I have where the word I intend to type and what gets sent to my fingers are not always the same, long ago.


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    I believe that is supposed to be: "Reductio ad absurdum" and honestly, if you can't spell it, you should refrain from using it. But go ahead... Pretend you're more sophisticated... All while you cannot answer one single question I asked of you!

    I ask you one thing, and you respond with a completely different issue... No specific goal to speak of. No particular direction.

    My apologies for giving you a lot more credit than you obviously deserved. This actually makes it pretty obvious why 99% of your posts are limited to one or two sentences.

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