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    Thumbs up Ticket for Running a Stop Sign at an Intersection Controlled by a Traffic Light

    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California

    My friend recently got cited for running a stop sign. The intersection he was cited at doesn’t have stop signs; it has street lights that were operating normally at time of citation. The light was green for his side so he proceeded thru at 30 miles per hour, as recorded on his ticket. There was something unusual that night, however. It was 1 in the morning, and there were flares, lit and burning, lining the lane dividers, from about 10 yards out, for all 4 points of entry, toward the intersection. I’d never heard of or seen a setup like that before. I’d never been taught anything about a setup like that before, from traffic school, et al.

    My questions are 2.
    1st, what does the setup with the flares mean? Is that kind of setup supposed to represent a stop sign?

    2nd, the traffic code for the violation reads

    _' 22450 (a) The driver of any vehicle approaching a stop sign at the entrance to, or within, an intersection shall stop at a limit line, if marked, otherwise before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection.'

    If he were sighted for not stopping at a stop sign, how is that possible at an intersection that uses signal lights that were operational at the time of citing? If the light is green for him yet there are the flares, and if the flares are meant to mean a stop sign, there appears to be a direct contradiction. The ticket doesn’t make sense logically to me.

    My friend is scratching his head, wondering what to do. I’d like to get back to him with something clear and definite. I appreciate any pro help.

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    Default Re: /Stop_sign ;,cvc 22450(a _' Flares, Lit and Burning, Lining Lane Dividers,_Inters

    apparently there was a cop or two or dozen somewhere. Where were they?

    I suspect while you missed the cops, you also missed the temporary stop sign they set up so all traffic would have to stop before entering the intersection/


    why it was set up like that? I have a lot of guess but no reason to believe one is more correct than another. Ask the cop what it was for. I bet once you figure that out, you will understaind why you got the ticket you did.

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    Default Re: /Stop_sign ;,cvc 22450(a _' Flares, Lit and Burning, Lining Lane Dividers,_Inters

    My guess is that the officers either cited the wrong section, or, there was a temporary sign posted on a corner or at/before the limit line. However, I am not entirely convinced that a temporary stop sign would qualify as a stop sign per VC 22450(a) considering that (c) discusses the placement of these devices by ordinance and this sort of temporary placement would be unsupported by such an ordinance.

    If it were me, I'd have cited another section.

    But, as it is, your friend can choose to proceed however he wishes. He might wish to apply for a TBWD first, and if he loses go for a TDN ... assuming he doesn't want to run the risk of losing the traffic school option. If there was no sign at all, he should prevail easily. If there was a temporary sign, it might be a little tougher.

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    Default Re: /Stop_sign ;,cvc 22450(a _' Flares, Lit and Burning, Lining Lane Dividers,_Inters

    TYVM jk, cdwjava
    OBTW, my friend says 'there was no stop sign,only the flares on the ground
    , and the traffic light was green _for_him‎
    The officer asked my friend " Did you see the flares ?
    my friend answered " yes" ,befuddled
    my friend had a green light and no temporary stop sign,only the flares

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    Default Re: /Stop_sign ;,cvc 22450(a _' Flares, Lit and Burning, Lining Lane Dividers,_Inters

    then dispute the ticket. I suspect there is something your friend missed or isn't telling you.

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