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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

    Thank you again for your input PandorasBox, but surely you realize it is not pertinent to what I am seeking. Your basic jist is to cover your ass. And I understand that, but I'm more concerned with the law, not what someone things they should do to cover there asses.

    And also this thread seemed to jump to talking about serving intoxicated people....I'm not sure how as not is also not relevant to anything I mentioned, I have not noticed any obvious link to people coming in with an expired license being more intoxicated than people with not expired licenses.

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

    The law is that if someone drinks in your establishment....you face liability.

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

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    The law is that if someone drinks in your establishment....you face liability.
    ...I'm still not sure what you are getting at... are you saying that no one should be in business because we are going to face liability regardless? I face liability even if I had a policy of not serving anyone that looks under 60 even if they have a fully valid ID.

    However, again I don't know the laws in Michigan, I am in Oklahoma and operating under the Oklahoma laws posted at
    http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...STOKST37&year=


    Maybe I'm just not getting it, maybe if someone else can see how what he keeps saying is relevant to what I have been asking they would be kind enough to help me understand?...

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

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    That is my TIPS training, that even serving a drunk a glass of water can be considered as having served him.

    Let's say John Doe goes to X Roadhouse, gets trashed.....comes to Y Bar....I serve him a water. Again, technically, I have served him. He gets into an accident, kills 4 people. That family can sue both of us, even though I only gave him water. So it's just best to not serve him period.

    That training also showed a drunk couple coming into a restaurant and the hostess refusing seating. Again, once you have let them in, you open yourself to liability.
    I accept that was your training. The liability may arise somewhere else as it does not come from the "Dram Shop Act".

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

    I'm just saying that is how I was trained. Your state may allow to you simply look a person, decide if they of age.

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

    Again, the law in most states (including Oklahoma) do not MANDATE ID Check, however as stated it is the server's (and the licensee's) criminal and civil liability that is at risk if they serve someone who is underage, so it behooves you to check. Some establishments either through their training or insurance requirements mandate 100% ID check. There are a few municipalities that mandate it as well.

    If you're going to purchase alcohol, it would be a good idea to be carrying your ID as nobody is required (and most are ill-advised) to serve you without it.

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

    Well, you also risk the cops coming in and checking ID. Then shutting down your place.

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    Default Re: Can You Drink Alcohol in a Bar Without Carrying ID

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    Well, you also risk the cops coming in and checking ID. Then shutting down your place.
    Very much so if you have minors possessing alcohol. Just because someone doesn't have an ID doesn't make it illegal (unless they are demonstrated to be under 21).

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