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    Default Re: Possession of Stolen Property Charges Over a Purchased Item

    Double checked and yes it was registered with Amazon He gave me the account # and Password.
    Can I go onto that account to get info from my laptop and How ?
    I don't know; can you?


    let us know if you can.

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    the sheriffs have lost the trust of the community and the residents are afraid of the sheriff's bulling and too afraid walk down the street at any time of day because these PEDCHKS have gotten out of control. Their (the Sheriff's) do what they want when they want attitudes and actions toward the residents. Age doesn't matter.

    A older man was handcuffed and demeaned for picking black berry's, A elder woman was walking with bags of groceries from the store and was stopped in the same area my son was (Same Street) within 1/2 block.

    LE does lie

    <there was definitely something more to their contact.>

    I have thought the same thing. Like someone may have seen him with it and thought maybe he was to young to have such a expensive device. Maybe when one of the sheriffs brought him home knew that he had it and on this time figured they would use it as leverage over him For Info I am guessing just like the rest.
    And yes we are going to request a copy of the report along with a few other things. As i said i listened to the entire transmission and never heard anything about that tablet being called in or reported back from Dispatch as being stolen. Tomorrow i am hoping to have a lot of light shed on the situation and will let you all know. Thank you all for your thoughts theories, concerns advice and help. I have learned quite a bit. Thank you all

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    DUG;752965]the sheriffs have lost the trust of the community and the residents are afraid of the sheriff's bulling and too afraid walk down the street at any time of day because these PEDCHKS have gotten out of control. Their (the Sheriff's) do what they want when they want attitudes and actions toward the residents. Age doesn't matter.
    so, how about ya'll standing up for your rights and refusing to allow a search of your person or property without cause?




    LE does lie
    sometimes, yes they do. That is relevant why?




    I have thought the same thing.
    Like someone may have seen him with it and thought maybe he was to young to have such a expensive device.
    given I have seen pre-teen kids with Iphones ($600-$900 each), I doubt that is the issue.


    Maybe when one of the sheriffs brought him home knew that he had it and on this time figured they would use it as leverage over him For Info I am guessing just like the rest.
    brought him home? What? I thought he went to jail?



    As i said i listened to the entire transmission and never heard anything about that tablet being called in or reported back from Dispatch as being stolen.
    listened to what transmission? Usually an entire interaction, while it may be recorded on the officers car devices, is unlikely to have been transmitted over the radio.

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    the sheriffs have lost the trust of the community and the residents are afraid of the sheriff's bulling and too afraid walk down the street at any time of day because these PEDCHKS have gotten out of control. Their (the Sheriff's) do what they want when they want attitudes and actions toward the residents. Age doesn't matter.
    All because YOU believe the sheriff's department is "out of control" does not mean that this is shared by anyone else or even a majority of the community. You haven't mentioned the county (at least I don't recall it), so I can't check for any objective evaluation of this opinion.

    And if they conducted an unlawful detention, a defense attorney should be able to get any evidence found tossed without difficulty. A consensual contact is certainly lawful, and if they ask for consent to search, that would be as well. It would be, however, highly unusual - especially at noon - unless there were some other factors involved. And if they told him to stop or called him over to them, then the contact would have transitioned from a consensual contact to a detention.

    A older man was handcuffed and demeaned for picking black berry's, A elder woman was walking with bags of groceries from the store and was stopped in the same area my son was (Same Street) within 1/2 block.
    It could be something is going on there ... and the blackberry picking could, potentially, be a crime.

    LE does lie
    Occasionally one does, but they sure got darn lucky finding a reported stolen electronic device on the guy they made contact with.

    And, as I said, the contact is not unlawful unless they conducted an unlawful detention. And if they managed to find what had been reported as stolen property, then this just potentially vindicated an aggressive contact policy in the area.

    <there was definitely something more to their contact.>

    I have thought the same thing. Like someone may have seen him with it and thought maybe he was to young to have such a expensive device.
    I doubt that - too many people have those things to be suspicious of a young adult possessing one. I suspect something else ... either about his actions, demeanor, people he was hanging with, someone handing it him furtively and then running, something.

    Maybe when one of the sheriffs brought him home knew that he had it and on this time figured they would use it as leverage over him For Info I am guessing just like the rest.
    So, does your son hang with people who have nefarious reputations? It could be the company he keeps has made him a target.

    But, all that can be done now is guess. Heck, the police report need not even have the reason they focused on him only justification for the detention if this was not a consensual contact of some kind.

    And yes we are going to request a copy of the report along with a few other things.
    You can request away, but you probably will not get it. Your son's attorney can get a copy of the report in discovery, but they do not have to release it to you or to him. And, it may not have the subjective reasons behind the stop. They don't need to articulate that they saw your son kicking it with some shady characters and figured they'd make contact to try and see what they could find on him because they suspected he might be dealing in dope or stolen goods.

    As i said i listened to the entire transmission and never heard anything about that tablet being called in or reported back from Dispatch as being stolen.
    Clearly they found out it was reported stolen somehow ... unless your alleging that they are making it up and there was never any entry into CLETS/NCIC and they lied completely. That, however, would be easily proven and foolish for the deputies to do because they'd get sued and prosecuted for that and it would be easy to discover.

    Depending on the county, they may have run the item on a computer in the car. Or, they called their records folks from a cell phone. Some agencies don't want such records checks done over the air for assorted reasons. And, in larger agencies, a records check might be done on a secondary frequency. When I was in San Diego County we had separate channels for this sort of thing.

    And how are you going to learn more tomorrow? Remember, you are a legal non-entity here. The sheriff's department doesn't have to give you diddly, and the report is not likely yet classified as a publicly accessible record.

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    To use the kindle, your son may have needed to register it first with Amazon. You can't download anything until the device is recognized as personally belonging to someone, at least that's been the case in my experience with a kindle and other devices like it. Registering is usually done soon after purchase and first use. Can your son prove this specific kindle is registered to him? A registration date that matches or is close to the purchase receipt would help, I'd think.
    ALL WAS THERE!!!! in amazon The kindle S/N was there and his Kindle email address. Name address & phone, PROVED HIS INNOCENCE!!! THANK YOU

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    Has this information been related to the investigating agency? Are they able to objectively verify it? If so, then that's good.

    Guess it falls into the infinitesimally fantastic coincidence file. Though, as always, the state would hae had to prove the elements of the offense and that might also mean producing the original report that the theft was based upon.

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