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    Default Re: Are Names of Applicants to Ride Along with Police Confidential

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    The parents and their attorneys settled for $600,000. This is his last job, at least in CA, as a police officer. The civil suit is a public document. His past internal investigations and complaints are not.
    But the PUBLIC are not the ones who'll be determining if he's ever hired by another agency. Agencies WOULD have acecss to all of the past internal investigations and complaints. So what difference does it make?

    If I could get proof of his violating the Police Department's policy as OIC, maybe, we could finally get rid of him.
    Again, this isn't a "we" thing, even IF you could prove he violated each and every policy 100 times. That's STILL a hiring decision made by the agency considering making the hire, or, the agency deciding to keep him on the payroll.



    The sooner he is stripped of his police powers, the safer we'll be.
    I don't think anyone has argued that point, only that the people who can MAKE those decisions already DO have access to everything you're tearing your hair out over.

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    Default Re: Are Names of Applicants to Ride Along with Police Confidential

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    The parents and their attorneys settled for $600,000.
    Not surprising ... even in incidents where the officers were clearly in the right, 6 figure settlements are the norm.

    This is his last job, at least in CA, as a police officer.
    But, he's still working ... so you said. So, he still has a job ... and it may well be his last, but why would he need to leave if he has not been found guilty of any wrongdoing by the agency or a court?

    The civil suit is a public document. His past internal investigations and complaints are not.
    That's correct. Hence the reason you do not KNOW what has transpired in his past - you are merely acting on speculation, rumor, and innuendo ... unless he has released those past IA claims or they have been part of some form of previous court action that has been made public.

    If I could get proof of his violating the Police Department's policy as OIC, maybe, we could finally get rid of him.
    That is a matter for the agency to decide and they might be hard pressed to terminate someone for extending a ridealong ... I think most arbitrators would see that as excessive absent a history of such breaches.

    He is a disgrace and dangerous.
    So YOU say ... without any proof since the IA records are sealed and there appears to be no official finding that he committed any wrongdoing - even in the civil suit, I'd imagine.

    He is already the star of another video on YouTube harrassing another young man. Fortunately, he saw he was being videotaped and let the person go. The sooner he is stripped of his police powers, the safer we'll be.
    Ah, Youtube - the bastion of out-of-context embarrassment.

    Heck, I'm not saying this guy's a saint, or a demon - I don't know. But, the point here is - neither do you. You are operating on speculation, rumor, and gut feeling. You also have admitted you have no real idea what it is that the police do or how they are expected to respond to certain situations such as the one where this guy died. Really, you WANT to find a villain in this ... maybe it's NOT the officer, and maybe it is simply a tragedy where the guy fought with the officers and died unintentionally and for reasons wholly unforeseen.

    Before they settled this case, they were hit with another lawsuit, this time for 25M, filed by an ex-deputy sheriff. Another traffic stop that ended with a brutal beating when the driver refused to take a field sobriety test. He didn't "go along with the program." This isn't your ordinary PD.
    That's certainly interesting, but lawsuits are not unusual. I recall a suit for $5 million in my old agency which settled for a few grand (about $3,000 or so, if I recall) for the plaintiff's attorney. A $25 million lawsuit does not - by itself - mean there is any merit. And most settle out of court for an amount that is thought to be cheaper than litigating even to a win.

    There could well be a case, but, the fact that a lawsuit was filed doesn't mean much. Remember the North Hollywood shootout? The family of one of the shooters in that incident sued for an "unspecified" award - and he wounded 16 people and tried to kill many more than that! All because a suit is filed does not mean it has any merit. Fortunately, and contrary to standard Los Angeles practice, the city dug in their heels and fought the lawsuit claim ... usually, they settle.

    It would seem that the police chief there still has the city's confidence if he is still employed. If he had lost their confidence, he'd be unemployed, and if that lawsuit was seen to the city fathers as with merit, I suspect they'd move to make changes ASAP - especially in light of another lawsuit. So, not everyone seems to agree that things are entirely amiss there.

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    Default Re: Are Names of Applicants to Ride Along with Police Confidential

    The records are public records and there is no exemption that would cover them.

    What exemption did they claim?

    Appeal the redaction decision...that's your relief.

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    Default Re: Are Names of Applicants to Ride Along with Police Confidential

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    State: CA

    When the police chief refused to answer whether, or not, he had given permission to a police officer to allow this Officer's girlfriend to ride along with him and to do so, well after, normal ride alongs are to end, according to their policy, I requested the waiver forms for that year.

    All the names and signatures of the applicants were redacted. Are these applicants' names confidential?
    It is likely that the names could be covered under a privacy provision of your state's FOIA act; however, the PD cannot claim a privacy claim themselves for these people. They would have to contact the people and ask them if they consider it a privacy issue and get statements from them to lead to the legal conclusion that a privacy issue exists for each one that sees it as a privacy issue.

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