Violation of a Juvenile Restraining Order As an Adult

[cdwjava]

You're still missing the part with obscene language or vulgarity as well as the part part that is threatening.

Try reading subsection (b). This would be the second contact in recent months even after you were popped for the last one which you avoided because the previous court erred.

Again, your rudimentary knowledge of the law is far more likely to result in your getting into a great deal of trouble. Just let it go, and leave her be. Call it "check mate" if you like, but, Junior, I have been at this game longer than you have been alive. If you want to play with the system, be prepared to spend a lot of time in jail even if you are not ultimately convicted. An ARREST does not require the same burden of proof as a conviction and the cops responding to her call are not going to be impressed by you. And if you insist on trying to press the issue with her and trying to impress lawyers and police officers with your understanding of the law, you will come out on the losing end. You are not the first kid who has thought himself smarter than the adults who have made a career in the law. But, I don't fault you, it is the hubris of youth.

[PandorasBox]

And be prepared to spend a lot of money on a lawyer.
Be prepared to find it hard to find employment.

[Inittowinit]

Try reading subsection (b). This would be the second contact in recent months even after you were popped for the last one which you avoided because the previous court erred.

Again, your rudimentary knowledge of the law is far more likely to result in your getting into a great deal of trouble. Just let it go, and leave her be. Call it "check mate" if you like, but, Junior, I have been at this game longer than you have been alive. If you want to play with the system, be prepared to spend a lot of time in jail even if you are not ultimately convicted. An ARREST does not require the same burden of proof as a conviction and the cops responding to her call are not going to be impressed by you. And if you insist on trying to press the issue with her and trying to impress lawyers and police officers with your understanding of the law, you will come out on the losing end. You are not the first kid who has thought himself smarter than the adults who have made a career in the law. But, I don't fault you, it is the hubris of youth.

It's been an excess of a year since last contact so I would not consider that 2nd contact in recent months.

And as I said do you honestly believe any jury in the entire state of California would convict someone of a crime reading that message I provided above as evidence?


Also police cannot arrest someone in their home absent an arrest warrant so unless that person has a specific friend on the police force who's willing to wait outside my house for possibly hours for a misdemeanor to make an arrest that the DA will decline to prosecute because its a complete bullshit case after reviewing the evidence then that would be that officer's choice if it even and close to that, which it would not because police have more important things to do than play chaperone between young adults, at worst they'd call and say knock it off.

But you clearly have the California legal system misconstrued if you believe that 12 people would send someone to jail for solely sending that one message that is actually a touching and inspiring message I believe.

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And be prepared to spend a lot of money on a lawyer.
Be prepared to find it hard to find employment.

Lmao 98% of companies do not screen for misdemeanor convictions, if they did a lot of people would be out of a job.

[cbg]

I'm one of those people that when you tell them they can't do something it makes them want to do it a hundred times more.

So you're willing to come right out and admit to having the maturity of a five year old. Well, that's a start, I suppose.

[Dogmatique]

It's been an excess of a year since last contact so I would not consider that 2nd contact in recent months.

And as I said do you honestly believe any jury in the entire state of California would convict someone of a crime reading that message I provided above as evidence?


Also police cannot arrest someone in their home absent an arrest warrant so unless that person has a specific friend on the police force who's willing to wait outside my house for possibly hours for a misdemeanor to make an arrest that the DA will decline to prosecute because its a complete bullshit case after reviewing the evidence then that would be that officer's choice if it even and close to that, which it would not because police have more important things to do than play chaperone between young adults, at worst they'd call and say knock it off.

But you clearly have the California legal system misconstrued if you believe that 12 people would send someone to jail for solely sending that one message that is actually a touching and inspiring message I believe.

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Lmao 98% of companies do not screen for misdemeanor convictions, if they did a lot of people would be out of a job.

Cite please?

And contrary to your misguided belief, most folk do NOT have criminal convictions.

[Inittowinit]

I'm one of those people that when you tell them they can't do something it makes them want to do it a hundred times more.

So you're willing to come right out and admit to having the maturity of a five year old. Well, that's a start, I suppose.

Yep I can admit it

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Cite please?

And contrary to your misguided belief, most folk do NOT have criminal convictions.

I'm sorry what would you like cited?

And I didn't say most folks, meaning a majority, I said a lot meaning an excess of 50,000 California citizens with criminal convictions. I would consider 50k people as a lot but maybe you have a different definition.

[cdwjava]

It's been an excess of a year since last contact so I would not consider that 2nd contact in recent months.

You'd be willing to stake your freedom on that? You'd be willing to risk a new restraining order just to tweak someone int he eye? Really?

And as I said do you honestly believe any jury in the entire state of California would convict someone of a crime reading that message I provided above as evidence?

It depends on the case presented. But, what a jury might decide is irrelevant as to what the police might do or what a DA might do. You really want to have a list of arrests and charges after your name as you one day enter the job market?

How old are you??

Also police cannot arrest someone in their home absent an arrest warrant

Really? You think so?

As i said before, your naivete about the law will only get you in trouble.

Lmao 98% of companies do not screen for misdemeanor convictions, if they did a lot of people would be out of a job.

If they do a public records search, they will receive them. Some might be disqualifying convictions for a particular position by statute or policy, others might not be. Depending on the violation, the misdemeanor can easily prevent employment.

Oh, and can you provide the citation for this claim that 98% of employers do NOT screen for misdemeanor convictions?

[Inittowinit]

You'd be willing to stake your freedom on that? You'd be willing to risk a new restraining order just to tweak someone int he eye? Really?


It depends on the case presented. But, what a jury might decide is irrelevant as to what the police might do or what a DA might do. You really want to have a list of arrests and charges after your name as you one day enter the job market?

How old are you??


Really? You think so?

As i said before, your naivete about the law will only get you in trouble.


If they do a public records search, they will receive them. Some might be disqualifying convictions for a particular position by statute or policy, others might not be. Depending on the violation, the misdemeanor can easily prevent employment.

Oh, and can you provide the citation for this claim that 98% of employers do NOT screen for misdemeanor convictions?

I have no criminal adult record and my juvenile record is sealed.

I would not be doing anything illegal.

I'm 19.

The jury should be any defendant's main concern.


From the ACLU's website

IF THE POLICE OR IMMIGRATION AGENTS COME TO YOUR HOME
If the police or immigration agents come to your home, you do not have to let them in unless they have certain kinds of warrants.
Ask the officer to slip the warrant under the door or hold it up to the window so you can inspect it. A search warrant allows police to enter the address listed on the warrant, but officers can only search the areas and for the items listed. An arrest warrant allows police to enter the home of the person listed on the warrant if they believe the person is inside. A warrant of removal/deportation (ICE warrant) does not allow officers to enter a home without consent.
Even if officers have a warrant, you have the right to remain silent. If you choose to speak to the officers, step outside and close the door.

And I believe the only other way they can arrest someone in their home is exogen circumstance.

I've never seen a job application that requested knowledge of a misdemeanor conviction nor anyone disqualified from candidacy for a position due to a misdemeanor. And you should distinguish between a job and a career and you'll have your answer.

[Dogmatique]

I have no criminal adult record and my juvenile record is sealed.

I would not be doing anything illegal.

I'm 19.

The jury should be any defendant's main concern.


From the ACLU's website

IF THE POLICE OR IMMIGRATION AGENTS COME TO YOUR HOME
If the police or immigration agents come to your home, you do not have to let them in unless they have certain kinds of warrants.
Ask the officer to slip the warrant under the door or hold it up to the window so you can inspect it. A search warrant allows police to enter the address listed on the warrant, but officers can only search the areas and for the items listed. An arrest warrant allows police to enter the home of the person listed on the warrant if they believe the person is inside. A warrant of removal/deportation (ICE warrant) does not allow officers to enter a home without consent.
Even if officers have a warrant, you have the right to remain silent. If you choose to speak to the officers, step outside and close the door.

And I believe the only other way they can arrest someone in their home is exogen circumstance.

I've never seen a job application that requested knowledge of a misdemeanor conviction nor anyone disqualified from candidacy for a position due to a misdemeanor. And you should distinguish between a job and a career and you'll have your answer.

Quoted for posterity.

[cbg]

And at the age of 19 you have seen SO many job applications from SO many employers.