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    Unhappy Mother Got Custody of Children After Father Left Them With a Relative

    My question involves a child custody case from the State of: WI

    My question involves a child custody case from the State of: WI

    This is a very hard situation, I don't even know where to begin, but pray someone out there can help me get through this or offer some advise, or tell me what they know about situations like this. It is a long story. I do hope you have the time to read it all. I will keep it as short as possible.

    The mother of my children went to federal prison. We were not together at the time it happened, but she was on state assistance so a support order was made in WI for the kids where we were living before all this happened. She was a meth addict and had already lost one other child that was prior to us getting together to the State of MN for Child Endangerment, had a chance to get him back, but never completed the classes. I was there often taking care of my kids while she ran the streets, making sure they ate etc although we were no longer together. Her half sister ended up taking off with the kids when she went to Federal Prison. I just found out today after my wife had found a rough location of my children were at, In the State of Kentucky, that she actually went there and went to court and got custody of my kids, without ever notifying me or child support here or the family court where the original order was made with my kids.

    I found all this out after the mother of my kids had someone contact me on facebook saying my daughter was in trouble and wanted me to take her, again not letting me know where they were or how to contact them, she found out I was married and never contacted me again. My wife followed her from MN to KY on the BOP website to track inmates, and did some investigating and found out my children could be there because of some records she found from a school, for my son. So we notified the police down there, and they said they would check the addresses and get back to me, but never did. I am guessing because they found out that this woman has custody. How she did it, I don't know, but It isn't right.
    I went up to the court here and filed something in probate, in which I go to court on this next week, but in the meantime found out from the guardian ad leitem found out that I can file in family court and should because that is where the original order was from and since the kids are out of state it would have to be done there... So we are going to file there as well, but wanted us to still go to the court date we have set up, even though it will be dismissed because he is also the judge that is involved with the family court order. In the meantime I filled a contempt on her before knowing that this other woman actually has custody, and that is in May.

    After she got the paperwork, people started to try to contact me out of the woodwork, the half sister wrote my wife on facebook, how she knows my wifes name etc really baffles me, she went on to say that I never tried to contact her, and that she tried to look for me and even went as far as stating she contacted my probation officer. In which was false and immediately got my po to write a letter stating it was not true. Also she left a phone number, It was not a valid number. The mother of my children wrote the court a response stating I never had any interest in my children and that they are doing fine and would be devastating for them to be uprooted from where they are. I wrote the judge showing the letters the woman wrote my wife on fb and also the other letters from another person who she had contact me about my daughter on facebook, clearly writing that this half sister was going to give my daughter to the state, and that the mother of my kids wanted me to take her, again.. not giving me any information on their whereabouts. I accepted contact with the mother of my children on Corrlinks, which is an email service for people in federal prison. She wrote me there stating my daughter was in legal trouble, having sex and running away and wanted me to get them, I even got a phone call from her, so asked the judge to sopena them records as well. As far as this half sister stating she has tried to contact me, Her sister whom is in Federal prison could locate me, but she couldn't but could find my wife? And all she had to do is call the courthouse or child support? The fact is, this woman and her sister did everything to avoid having to disclose to me where my kids were. Even went as far as going out of state and getting custody of my kids! Anyway.. there is sooo much more to the lies of these 2 individuals, but I will keep it short...

    Since the original orders were here? What is going to happen? How can this all play out? I mean how in the world does someone get custody of kids without contacting the parents? And since the original orders are here where I live, is that even valid? I should not have to go to Kentucky to court to get my kids right? This is such a mess and so confusing.
    Please someone help!

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    My question involves a child custody case from the State of: WI

    My question involves a child custody case from the State of: WI

    This is a very hard situation, I don't even know where to begin, but pray someone out there can help me get through this or offer some advise, or tell me what they know about situations like this. It is a long story. I do hope you have the time to read it all. I will keep it as short as possible.

    The mother of my children went to federal prison. We were not together at the time it happened, but she was on state assistance so a support order was made in WI for the kids where we were living before all this happened. She was a meth addict and had already lost one other child that was prior to us getting together to the State of MN for Child Endangerment, had a chance to get him back, but never completed the classes. I was there often taking care of my kids while she ran the streets, making sure they ate etc although we were no longer together. Her half sister ended up taking off with the kids when she went to Federal Prison. I just found out today after my wife had found a rough location of my children were at, In the State of Kentucky, that she actually went there and went to court and got custody of my kids, without ever notifying me or child support here or the family court where the original order was made with my kids.

    I found all this out after the mother of my kids had someone contact me on facebook saying my daughter was in trouble and wanted me to take her, again not letting me know where they were or how to contact them, she found out I was married and never contacted me again. My wife followed her from MN to KY on the BOP website to track inmates, and did some investigating and found out my children could be there because of some records she found from a school, for my son. So we notified the police down there, and they said they would check the addresses and get back to me, but never did. I am guessing because they found out that this woman has custody. How she did it, I don't know, but It isn't right.
    I went up to the court here and filed something in probate, in which I go to court on this next week, but in the meantime found out from the guardian ad leitem found out that I can file in family court and should because that is where the original order was from and since the kids are out of state it would have to be done there... So we are going to file there as well, but wanted us to still go to the court date we have set up, even though it will be dismissed because he is also the judge that is involved with the family court order. In the meantime I filled a contempt on her before knowing that this other woman actually has custody, and that is in May.

    After she got the paperwork, people started to try to contact me out of the woodwork, the half sister wrote my wife on facebook, how she knows my wifes name etc really baffles me, she went on to say that I never tried to contact her, and that she tried to look for me and even went as far as stating she contacted my probation officer. In which was false and immediately got my po to write a letter stating it was not true. Also she left a phone number, It was not a valid number. The mother of my children wrote the court a response stating I never had any interest in my children and that they are doing fine and would be devastating for them to be uprooted from where they are. I wrote the judge showing the letters the woman wrote my wife on fb and also the other letters from another person who she had contact me about my daughter on facebook, clearly writing that this half sister was going to give my daughter to the state, and that the mother of my kids wanted me to take her, again.. not giving me any information on their whereabouts. I accepted contact with the mother of my children on Corrlinks, which is an email service for people in federal prison. She wrote me there stating my daughter was in legal trouble, having sex and running away and wanted me to get them, I even got a phone call from her, so asked the judge to sopena them records as well. As far as this half sister stating she has tried to contact me, Her sister whom is in Federal prison could locate me, but she couldn't but could find my wife? And all she had to do is call the courthouse or child support? The fact is, this woman and her sister did everything to avoid having to disclose to me where my kids were. Even went as far as going out of state and getting custody of my kids! Anyway.. there is sooo much more to the lies of these 2 individuals, but I will keep it short...

    Since the original orders were here? What is going to happen? How can this all play out? I mean how in the world does someone get custody of kids without contacting the parents? And since the original orders are here where I live, is that even valid? I should not have to go to Kentucky to court to get my kids right? This is such a mess and so confusing.
    Please someone help!

    Someone changed the title, it is actually the sister who has custody after the mother left them with her

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    You said that mom went to court and got an order granting her custody, so you have told us that in fact mom got custody. The fact that she did the same thing as you once she had custody - put the kid with a relative - doesn't change that fact.

    If you want to regain custody, you can start by challenging the order obtained by the mother based upon, for example, the custody court of another state having continuing, exclusive jurisdiction and lack of notice to you (you seem to be suggesting that state to be Wisconsin), and then try to have the court that issued the prior custody ruling assert jurisdiction. Given that you chose to leave your kids in Kentucky for some unknown number of years, and have had little to no involvement in their lives during the subsequent period, the court may declare that Kentucky is now the proper venue for custody litigation.

    How long ago did the children move to Kentucky? How long ago did your ex get out of prison? How long ago did the Kentucky court issue its custody ruling? Why did it take until... is it a few weeks ago?... for you to take any action?

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    Default Re: Mother Got Custody of Children After Father Left Them With a Relative

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    You said that mom went to court and got an order granting her custody, so you have told us that in fact mom got custody. The fact that she did the same thing as you once she had custody - put the kid with a relative - doesn't change that fact.

    If you want to regain custody, you can start by challenging the order obtained by the mother based upon, for example, the custody court of another state having continuing, exclusive jurisdiction and lack of notice to you (you seem to be suggesting that state to be Wisconsin), and then try to have the court that issued the prior custody ruling assert jurisdiction. Given that you chose to leave your kids in Kentucky for some unknown number of years, and have had little to no involvement in their lives during the subsequent period, the court may declare that Kentucky is now the proper venue for custody litigation.

    How long ago did the children move to Kentucky? How long ago did your ex get out of prison? How long ago did the Kentucky court issue its custody ruling? Why did it take until... is it a few weeks ago?... for you to take any action?
    The court ordered it in 2005 and was never aware the sister actually went through that process. The mother is still in Federal Prison doing a 15 year sentence. They have been been gone for 8 years. I myself ended up in trouble with the law and went to prison for 4 1/2 years for bail jumping and having a pipe. The judge gave me the max because my baby's mother was the court reporter in the county that sentenced me. When I got out I was bounced between shelters and had medical issues, surgeries and a heart attack that kept me from working. My wife is actually typing this for me, because I don't even have knowledge on how to use the computer to locate anyone, I did have a friend that located the sister on facebook for me in 2010. She allowed me to talk to my children one time, from a blocked number and then said her boyfriend didn't want them talking to me, because my daughter wanted to come be with me then. My wife has helped me a lot in trying to figure all the legal things out.. So Kentucky can get jurisdiction even if the original order is in WI and even WI didn't know about it? My address was updated with the courts even before the custody was given to the sister, so an excuse of not knowing how to contact me would not be accurate.

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    Default Re: Mother Got Custody of Children After Father Left Them With a Relative

    So we may actually be talking about a guardianship resulting from your having left the children with your ex-sister-in-law for eight years while you had other priorities and spent time in prison.

    If it's a guardianship proceeding, not a custody proceeding, that would occur where the children are found. If it's a guardianship, you can petition the court that granted guardianship to restore custody to you - but after your choices led to your being out of the children's lives for eight years I expect that the court is going to be reluctant to upset the present situation merely because you show up and claim a willingness to parent your children.

    You need to start by figuring out what actually happened in court, as guessing gets us nowhere.

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    Default Re: Mother Got Custody of Children After Father Left Them With a Relative

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    So we may actually be talking about a guardianship resulting from your having left the children with your ex-sister-in-law for eight years while you had other priorities and spent time in prison.

    If it's a guardianship proceeding, not a custody proceeding, that would occur where the children are found. If it's a guardianship, you can petition the court that granted guardianship to restore custody to you - but after your choices led to your being out of the children's lives for eight years I expect that the court is going to be reluctant to upset the present situation merely because you show up and claim a willingness to parent your children.

    You need to start by figuring out what actually happened in court, as guessing gets us nowhere.
    We got a copy of the order and it says permanent custody.

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    We got a copy of the order and it says permanent custody.
    to the Half sister of the mother

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