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    The question was not about gifts. I would like to add:

    "The practice of using the public's money and resources to subsidize private enterprise continues to this day. It is variously estimated that every year, the federal government doles out hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate welfare, in the form of tax exclusions, reduced tax assessments, generous depreciation write-offs and tax credits, price supports, loan guarantees, payments in kind, subsidized insurance rates, marketing services, export subsidies, irrigation and reclamation programs, and research and development grants. This is only the beginning and I don't want to take up too much space here. So while the corporate free marketeers preach self-reliance to us and insist that we not go running to the government for handouts, they have their hands out all the time. They shamelessly gorge themselves at the public trough , like the overweening greed-ridden hypocrites that they are."
    Michael Parenti

    SSI is a form of oppression. Unemployment is one of the natural outcomes of Capitalist exploitation with the SOCIALIZATION of labor of the masses and PRIVATE appropriation of surplus value by the hundreds of billionaires in the United States. This is a huge contradiction. The ruling classes had to manoeuvre during the age of Imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. They came up with "State Regulation of Capitalism" of which Social Security is a component. Social Security is a CAPITALIST beaurocracy whose objectives (READ RIDICULOUS SSI RULES) turn into those of the ruling class and the ruling classes objectives become those of the Social Security. MOST TAX DOLLARS AND NATIONAL INCOME GO TO THE FRACTION OF 1%. "State Regulation of Capital" was and is a mechanism to keep the inevitable from happening, a transition to Socialism, the next Socio-Economic mode of production. It was used to keep workers on side. Socialism and Communism are not an option but a necessity. Until then, functionaries from the SSA on this forum will continue accusing everyone of being a 'fraudster' and a "sponger'

    Who are the real fraudsters and spongers?


    Social Security contributions are being stolen by the goverment who represent the exploiting class sanctioned by Obama, Reagan, Carter, Clinton, it doesn't matte if they are Republican or Democrat. It's a Dictatorship of Democracy, democracy for those that own the means of production and their 'govermment' representative. Democracy in 'form' but not in 'content'. These funds, stolen from the working and poor masses, are used to allow Finance Capital to opress and pillage the world for more resources, markets, labor and minerals in order to further the right of the exploiting classes, lead by the US/France/Britain 'governments' and thier military cliques, to more surplus profit and to exploit labor. This is done by imposing austerity at home ( for example Obama cut Energy Assistance by billions of dollars in his first term) and death and opression abroad.

    Right now SSA funds are used along with other tax dollars to prop up the the billionaires in Imperialist countries like the United States and feed the War Industrial Complex and private military contracters like CACI. These funds are also currently being used support the 'free syrian army', which are nothing but renegade 'Al Qaeda' Islamisist criminals that are killing innocent secular Syrians and using the Bourgeois media to blame it on Assad's soldiers. Assad's security forces and soldiers are doing just the opposite, they are trying to protect their population from US and NATO criminal imperialists and their funded 'terrorists' and their equally criminal pawns, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey.

    Then there's fictitious capital which is a whole other form of fraud and sponging, i.e the stock market and investment firms. Lets never forget the trillions of dollars in bailouts for the wealthy paid for and on the backs of the toiling masses and poor, which includes office workers just like SSA field office workers and SSA 'customer service' hotline workers. All the while funding for social programs like Energy Assistance, Welfare, food stamps and mass transit are being slashed and to fund the War machine and the billionaires of the United States.

    How nice of the Bill Gates of this country to exploit and appropriate from the masses who produce and make living standards easier for everyone.
    So Janke, this SSI recipients 'obligations' become Finance Capital's winfall. The above has EVERYTHING to do with SSI and Social Security. It's alled Political Economy.

    Anti-Communism is an ideology of the ruling classes. It is alien to the interest of the working and poor. Victory to the revolution!!!!!

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    Haven't you heard Perther, a Democracy ends when the government stops fearing their people and the people start fearing their government.

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    Default Re: SSI Recipient's Failure to Report Income from Gambling

    SSI which is a needs based program, a form of socialism, that provides a source of income to people who can't provide it for themselves and it not based on any kind of contribution to the GNP. SSI can be paid to someone who has never paid Social Security taxes or any other kinds of taxes. The original poster talked about a friend who took those need based payments to a casino on a regular basis to gamble. Did not use them for the purpose intended, food and shelter. And the only consequence is that he owes SSI back some of the money that was given to him. He could have done other things with the money that did not generate income and not food or shelter - bought drugs or alcohol, prostitutes, etc. and there would be no fallout from SSI, no assessment of overpayment. He could be one of the chronic homeless person who chooses to live on the street because he prefers to gamble and then becomes a statistic that shows how heartless the American government is because it is allowed.

    I don't know enough about the real life of a person who lives in a truly socialistic country, if there is such a thing, but it is troublesome to those who pay the taxes to hear that some people spend those benefits regularly on something that is a thrill, not a necessity.

    No doubt there is corporate greed, fraud and waste of tax dollars. If it is wrong at the million dollar level it is also wrong at the thousand dollar level. But this forum is about SSI and SSA benefits, not about whether or not capitalism is the right or best economic system.

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    No one is committing fraud at the thousand dollar leve because SSI, Welfare and Liheap recipients benefits are at the hundred dollar level. It has very little to do with greed. Greed, Corruption and beaurocracy are specific to the Capitalist mode of production. Marx's political economy, which is one of three component parts of Marxism-Leninism, has to do with an irreconcilable difference between the relations of production and the forces of production i.e socio-economic formations which are historically evolved societies developing on the basis of a definite mode of production. Capitalism was once a progressive and necessary force according to all Communists like myself but hit has become decayed and is now retrogressive and reactionary because it has created many contradicitons which are too much to get into now.

    The main contradicion of the capitalist mode of production , is between the social character of production and the private capitalist form of appropriation of the products of labour. Only live human labor can add value during the production process. Labor is used as a commodity by the bourgeoisie who own the means of production. The surplus value is actually unpaid labor and is expropriated from workers by the owning classes for their enrichment. In Capitalism production is not subordinated to the interests of society as a whole but to the private appropriation and profit of an ever narrowing top circle of elites. Industrial Capital and Finance Capital have now merged into State Monopoly Capitalism/Imperialism elaborated brilliantly by Lenin. All contradictions incliuding crisis and unempolyment stem from these outdated relations of production.

    SSI is NOT a form a socialism it is a result of political maneuvering by the Monopoly Bourgeois ruling classes in the 1930's to keep the working class on side due to the threat of a good example set by the October 17th Russian Revolution. Bourgeois economists like Keynes knew that Marx and Lenin were right so they instituted reforms on the behalf of and for the benefit up the ruling classes who owned the means of production i.e programs like Social Security. SSI is not a form of socialism it is a form of State Regulation of Capitalism designed and implemented by Capitalists.

    It's too much to get into here but I think you need to go beyond this blind Anti-Communism, which is really an ideology imposed on us through mass culture and media by the ruling classes. Anti-communism is alien to the interests of the working masses of the world. It appears you have a distorted view of what socialism is. Socialism is the transitory step to capitalism. Socialism subordinates production to meet the needs of society for the all around development of the individual and the collective. It's too much to get into here as it is a Social Security forum as you said.

    If you would like some recommended references for an introduction to Marxist-Leninism please let me know I would be happy to help.

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    "but it is troublesome to those who pay the taxes to hear that some people spend those benefits regularly on something that is a thrill, not a necessity"

    Taxes serve as an instrument for the class domination of the bourgeoisie, the main source of income of the bourgeois state, a means of additional exploitation of the working people and enrichment of capitalists. Please read the following by Michael Parenti. I think you will be more troubled.



    By Michael Parenti


    In December 2005, the reactionaries who are running the government and ruining the country decided to cut about $42 billion from the human services budget over the next few years. Most of the cuts will come out of the hides of the very poorest among us. The victims include persons afflicted with disabling diseases who already have trouble trying to live on a monthly federal pittance.

    But there is another side to this Scrooge story. There are others among us who are treated most handsomely by Washington. I am referring, of course, to Corporate America.

    A central function of the corporate capitalist state is to maintain and advance the capital accumulation process. This it does by (a) taxing the many to subsidize the few; and (b) privatizing the public wealth, specifically the land, airwaves, mineral deposits, and other natural resources that are nominally the property of the American people.

    In the 1950s, the Eisenhower administration sought to undo what conservatives in those days called the "creeping socialism" of the New Deal. So they handed over to private corporations some $50 billion (or $200 billion in today's dollars) worth of offshore oil reserves, government owned synthetic rubber factories, public lands, public utilities, and atomic installations.

    During that time, the federal government also built a multibillion dollar interstate highway system that provided the infrastructure----and an enormous indirect subsidy---for the trucking and automotive industries. The practice of using the public's money and resources to subsidize private enterprise continues to this day. It is variously estimated that every year, the federal government doles out hundreds of billions of dollars in corporate welfare, in the form of tax exclusions, reduced tax assessments, generous depreciation write-offs and tax credits, price supports, loan guarantees, payments in kind, research and development grants, subsidized insurance rates, marketing services, export subsidies, irrigation and reclamation programs, and research and development grants.

    The government leases or sells at a mere fraction of market value billions of dollars worth of oil, coal, and mineral reserves. It fails to collect hundreds of millions of dollars in royalties, interest, and penalties. And it sometimes gives the companies the right to purchase the land title for a nominal fee.

    The government pays out huge sums in unnecessarily high interest rates on the billions it has borrowed from private creditors (the national debt). It permits billions in public funds to remain on deposit in private banks without collecting interest.

    It lends out billions at below-market interest rates. It tolerates overcharging by firms with whom it does business, and provides long term credits, and tariff protections to large companies. It pays out billions to reimburse big corporate defense contractors for the costs of their mergers.

    The government gave away the entire broadcasting spectrum valued at $37 billion (in 1989 dollars)--instead of leasing or auctioning it off-thereby giving the big networks nearly five times the broadcasting space they previously controlled.

    Every year, the federal government loses tens of millions of dollars charging "ranchers" below cost grazing rates on over twenty million acres of public lands. These "ranchers" include a number of billionaires, big oil companies, and insurance conglomerates.

    Over the past five decades, at least $100 billion in public subsidies have gone to the nuclear industry and many billions worth of federally funded research and development has passed straight into corporate hands without the government collecting a cent in royalties.

    The U.S. Forest Service has built almost 400,000 miles of access roads through national forests---many times the size of the entire federal interstate highway system. Used for the logging operations of timber companies, these roads contribute to massive mud slides that contaminate water supplies, ruin spawning streams, and kill people.

    The U.S. Agency for International Development (AID), spent over $1 billion in taxpayer money over the past decade to help companies move U.S. jobs to cheaper labor markets abroad. AID provided low interest loans, tax exemptions, travel and training funds, and advertising to the corporate outsourcers. AID also furnished blacklists to help companies weed out union sympathizers from their work forces in various countries.

    In any one year, many billions in subsidies go to agribusiness producers of feed grain, wheat, cotton, rice, soy, dairy, wool, tobacco, peanuts, and wine, with relatively little going to small agrarian producers. Subsidies to big commercial farms encourage wasteful water practices and increased toxic runoffs into rivers and bays from pesticides, herbicides, and chemical fertilizers.

    The Government Accountability Office (GAO) estimates that agribusiness uses legal loopholes to circumvent subsidy limits, thereby collecting more than $2 billion in unjustified payments each year.

    The federal government subsidizes the railroad, shipping, and airline industries, along with the exporters of iron, steel, textiles, tobacco, paper, and other products. It doles out huge amounts in grants and tax incentives to the big petroleum companies to encourage oil exploration.

    In the 1970s, several major petroleum companies leased acreage in Alaska for oil exploration, paying $900 million for public lands that yielded $50 billion.

    Numerous medications marketed by the pharmaceutical industry have been paid for in whole or part by taxpayers---who sometimes then cannot afford the high prices charged.

    Whole new technologies are developed at public expense nuclear energy, electronics, aeronautics, space communications, mineral exploration, computer systems, the internet, biomedical genetics, and others only to be handed over to industry for private gain.

    Thus, AT&T managed to have the entire satellite communications system put under its control in 1962 after U.S. taxpayers put up the initial $20 billion to develop it. The costs are socialized; the profits are privatized.

    Under corporate capitalism the ordinary citizen pays twice for most things: first, as a taxpayer who provides the subsidies and supports, then as a consumer who buys the high priced commodities and services. Overall, federal spending represents an enormous upward redistribution of income.

    As the Bible says (Matthew 13:12): "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken even what little they have." If this is the way we bring God back into public life, then let's hear it for atheism

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    the US is not close to becoming communist, to become communist would require a constitutional amendment.

    2/3 of the senate
    2/3 of the house

    3/4 of the states (legislatures or conventions)

    Although with polls between 11% and 23% we might be seeing more than one kind of "Red" state in the sort of near future.

    Whether or not communism is a truly inevitable consequence of capitalism remains to be seen, but I do believe that Marx did not adequately recognize the stability potential for hybrid capitalist/socialist systems, even more austere systems such as the US do ensure basic needs are met.

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    As the Bible says (Matthew 13:12): "To them that have shall be given, and from them that have not shall be taken even what little they have." If this is the way we bring God back into public life, then let's hear it for atheism
    Nice way of taking this quote TOTALLY out of context. I knew your diatribe was drivel after the first little bit, and I happened across seeing the last sentence as I scrolled down to see if any responses were at the least bit entertaining.

    Don't flatter yourself and presume I read the whole manifesto.

    Ain't it great how one can twist whatever they see fit by using excerpts of others' writings and totally believe that they can bolster their "stand". Maybe if any sheeple happen across this you can hope for some semblance of support for your position from any of those that have less than a few braincells to rub together.

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