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    Default Driving Without Valid Registration in a Borrowed Car, VC 4000(A)(1)

    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California

    Okay so my question is if someone borrows a friends car (with their consent) unbeknownst to them that the registration is expired and they get pulled over and cited for a 4000 (a) (1) is that a plausible defense because from what I've heard the courts generally like to see that the registration has been corrected at the court date, but if it doesn't belong to the person cited how can that happen?

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    You are responsible for making sure the car is registered and insured. If the violation is marked correctable, bring in proof of the correction, pay your $25 or whatever and go on with life.
    If not marked correctable, you can still argue that you have had the issue corrected and take your chances with the judge.

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    But the vehicle was impounded and sold at auction because the officer wanted to be a dick so it was impossible to correct.

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    They're asking for $1568

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    The officer was not a "dick." You were breaking the law. He had no way of knowing that your friend wasn't going to bother to redeem his car.
    Well you can try in court showing the car was sold, but frankly, you didn't "correct" the issue, so you're technically liable for the full fine.

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    I just thought of something how about if we track down the current owner and see if it's currently registered and in good standing then technically it'd be corrected and My friend would only liable for the correctable fine right? Or not? What do you think?

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    Not even close. What the current owner has done with the car has not a thing to do with what your friend did. The fact that the car (might be) currently registered does not change the fact that your so-called friend did not have it registered when he was supposed to.

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    So the blame would be on the person driving the vehicle and not the owner of the vehicle?

    And there was no chance given to bring the vehicle to current registration because it was impounded and presumably sold.

    What would normally be expected as far as a fine for the expired registration?

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    He had his chance to bring the vehicle current - right up to the moment it expired. Where on EARTH did you get the idea that he is entitled to multiple chances after the fact? Or even one chance after the fact?

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    Quote Quoting flyingron
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    You are responsible for making sure the car is registered and insured. If the violation is marked correctable, bring in proof of the correction, pay your $25 or whatever and go on with life.
    If not marked correctable, you can still argue that you have had the issue corrected and take your chances with the judge.
    This is where ^^^

    Usually the judge will ask if that matter is corrected or not and the fine will be extremely lower.

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    Default Re: Cited for 4000(A)(1)

    Nothing in Ron's post says he is guaranteed a chance to bring it current before any further action can be taken.

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