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    Default Organized Stalking by Government

    My question involves police conduct in the State of: Wisconsin.

    At what point is the law enforcement investigation/surveillance considered stalking?

    I'm a mental health professional (school psychologist) that is very pro-medical cannabis in a non-medical marijuana state and I have been stalked by the government for the last few months. They try to interact with me at every chance they get. They follow me around in vehicles with the windows all darkened, they follow me in stores and try to interact with me in the aisle's. They look over my shoulder to see what I'm buying, they drive in my neighbors driveway when they are not home to look in my backyard. The are messing with my sense of reality since they are putting actors in my life where there should be authentic people. I'm not a current or past dealer, trafficker, or prescribing cannabis to anyone.

    I clearly know they are there. I started to take pictures of them to show others that I'm not losing my mind. They think I'm making this up. These people only come close to me when I'm alone. When I''m with my wife, they stay there distance, but still follow and ease drop on my conversations.

    I received a letter back from the FBI and it's not them. I phone the DEA and they said they would get back to me and they never did. My wireless carrier confirmed with me that the government did seek access to my smartphone's GPS signal to locate me in Montana about a month ago. (I'm a backpacker/hiker kind of guy).

    The DEA or government are stalking me and I want it to stop. They are very intrusive people.

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    If you're out in public, you're fair game for people to follow you, stand in line beind you, etc. When you say "the government", you realize how many hundredes of potential agencies, squads, and potential jurisdictions could be involved. If you think any agency keeping you under surveillance is going to TELL you or admit such, you'll be disappointed - because they won't - and they are allowed to lie to you, so asking about it is pointless. Unless you're being threatened, no other agency is going to treat it as stalking. Do you really think that they'd need someone to be looking over your shoulder in order to monitor your purchases? No.

    Unless you're involved in some higher level serious crime, the government, at ALL levels, has much better things to do than dedicate manpower and resources to the intense type of surveillance you're hinting at. They don't dedicate THAT much effort on known Mafia dons, much less a school psychologist with a pro-medical marijuana stance.

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    Thank you for the reply. The knowledge gained by my purchases is used later when they ask me if I have something or not in order to interact with me. For instance, I bought an extra can of propane fuel for backpacking and then they would ask me later if I have a half or quarter of fuel to spare. That is just one example of my. They followed me from Wisconsin to Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, to the North Cascades, Olympic National Park, Mount Rainier, Crater Lake, the Redwoods, and then I headed home because they were bothering me to much.

    Oh, this is real. I wish it wasn't.

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    Default Re: Organized Stalking by Government

    Wait until the end of the fiscal budget year. They should have eliminated the need for excess billing.

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    You've still given no RATIONAL reason "the government", at ANY level, would have an interest in you. The level of surveillance you're suggesting isn't remotely feasible for either federal, state, or local law enforcement just to see what you're up to. Federal agents don't get to spend that much GAS, much less extensive interstate travel for "interest" only. Could be a private eye, someone else with the time and money to engage in such shinanigans, but again, the government doesn't expend this level of manpower on what you're suggesting. No amount of paranoia is going to change the fact that law enforcement agents and investigators have chains of command and fill in time sheets to account for their time, and lots of paperwork to justify their travel expenses and mileage on their vehicles. Unless you're up to something OTHER than simply being politically pro-marijuana, it ain't "the government".

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    Default Re: Organized Stalking by Government

    Quote Quoting beaglemike
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    My question involves police conduct in the State of: Wisconsin.

    At what point is the law enforcement investigation/surveillance considered stalking?

    I'm a mental health professional (school psychologist) that is very pro-medical cannabis in a non-medical marijuana state and I have been stalked by the government for the last few months. They try to interact with me at every chance they get. They follow me around in vehicles with the windows all darkened, they follow me in stores and try to interact with me in the aisle's. They look over my shoulder to see what I'm buying, they drive in my neighbors driveway when they are not home to look in my backyard. The are messing with my sense of reality since they are putting actors in my life where there should be authentic people. I'm not a current or past dealer, trafficker, or prescribing cannabis to anyone.

    I clearly know they are there. I started to take pictures of them to show others that I'm not losing my mind. They think I'm making this up. These people only come close to me when I'm alone. When I''m with my wife, they stay there distance, but still follow and ease drop on my conversations.

    I received a letter back from the FBI and it's not them. I phone the DEA and they said they would get back to me and they never did. My wireless carrier confirmed with me that the government did seek access to my smartphone's GPS signal to locate me in Montana about a month ago. (I'm a backpacker/hiker kind of guy).

    The DEA or government are stalking me and I want it to stop. They are very intrusive people.
    are you serious? One of the ill effects of mj use is paranoia. I think it has hit you hard.


    Beyond that, publically admitting you do approve of an illegal activity while being so closely engaged with the student body is simply foolish.

    edit to add:

    I just read your second post. You really are having paranoid delusions. You need to excuse yourself from your position at the school and seek some treatment.

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    Okay, say everyone is right and I swallowed the blue pill and what I have been experiencing over the last few months is a delusion and I have lost touch with reality all together.

    How rare is it for a surveillance group of say 5-10 people to follow a person around the country, put people in place where they shop, try to interact with them at every moment they get, or linger around longer than one should in certain places? Let's also say that they have been using Harris Poll and Facebook to gain information and the price tag is well into the millions. For the sake of this story, the people who are doing the investigating work is the DEA. How unique would this person have to be in order to attract this kind of attention?

    There is paper trail, but since I don't know who is following me I don't know where to go to find the records. The FBI said it wasn't them (in writing) and the DEA didn't return my calls.

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    Quote Quoting beaglemike
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    Okay, say everyone is right and I swallowed the blue pill and what I have been experiencing over the last few months is a delusion and I have lost touch with reality all together.

    How rare is it for a surveillance group of say 25 to follow a person around the country, put people in place where they shop, try to interact with them at every moment they get, or linger around longer than one should in certain places? Let's also say that they have been using Harris Poll and Facebook to gain information and the price tag is well into the millions. For the sake of this story, the people who are doing the investigating work is the DEA. How unique would this person have to be in order to attract this kind of attention?

    There is paper trail, but since I don't know who is following me I don't know where to go to find the records. The FBI said it wasn't them (in writing) and the DEA didn't return my calls.


    Stop wasting time. Before you no longer have the option.

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    Default Re: Organized Stalking by Government

    How do I obtain the records the DEA has been keeping on me?

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    Default Re: Organized Stalking by Government

    They haven't been keeping records on you. The only reason they didn't return your calls is that they couldn't be bothered wasting taxpayers money on a paranoid and delusional goof (i.e., you) who's so full of himself he thinks the US government actually knows he exists.

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