Where to Find Affordable Counseling Programs to Fulfill a Court's Order

[free9man]

She didn't do this to you.

You did this to you.

I know I've had more productive conversations with brick walls compared to the progress in this discussion with Johnny-boy.

[Dogmatique]

I know I've had more productive conversations with brick walls compared to the progress in this discussion with Johnny-boy.

Sigh. I know.

I don't even know why I respond these days. Maybe I'm trying to help some other sucker who might read the thread? I don't know.

[drthyrd]

OH OH OH ive been wondering the same thing for over 2 years.

Once again let me say, this whole thing was based on what she said, (she said she said she said) she even testified first thing that she lied on affidavit cause she didnt think it mattered, she admitted to the court shes a liar.

So yeah I dunno why either I cant take pics or any of that other stuff, jus to be clear there was never ANY allegations of abuse of the child in any which way, unless you wanna call Moms accusation that I drank 12 packs of beer in the matter of 1 hr on a walk in 94 deh=gree heat with 70% humidity, and how she knew this i dont know she was at work 15 miles away.....

Read the case dudes, she had 0 witness, J had 5 witness all confirming that she was lying.

Jus hanging on! taking lots of time to think....

But yeah answer that for me? Why no pics? who came up with that idea? they prolly gonna try to change her name on me as well

Ok, you can't take photos. I missed that. sorry. I know lots of visitation centers have the cell phone things as normal protocol but photos were allowed on special occasions like holidays. That is restrictive, but obviously, was placed in there for a reason even if it happens to be a reason you strongly disagree with right now.

All that aside...Have you seen your child? Or are you refusing in some form of protest because you hate the terms?

[mmmagique]

She didn't do this to you.

You did this to you.

I haven't read the entire case, but perhaps it was a mutual thing?

But yeah, he didn't do anything to help himself with what was going on.

[Dogmatique]

I haven't read the entire case, but perhaps it was a mutual thing?

But yeah, he didn't do anything to help himself with what was going on.

Initially I would've placed the blame - not that it's productive or helpful, really - 70 Mom, 30 Dad.

Now? 99 Dad, 1 Mom.

He's messed this up so bad, Christina lovey. So, so bad.

[passiondad]

She didn't do this to you.

You did this to you.

yeah I coulda been nicer. less honest, nicer.

[PandorasBox]

To best help yourself gain more visitation, etc....you need to show you are in compliance with all court orders.

That means - no el cheapo online program. For example, to even get a TIPS Certification in Michigan - you cannot do it online. TIPS just teaches bartenders/servers to spot intoxicated people and cut them off.

You need to fully comply, period. And I would suggest it, it is apparent you have a lot of anger issues and honesty issues as well. Right now, if I were a judge...I would not even give you supervised visitation until you were in compliance.

[drthyrd]

Initially I would've placed the blame - not that it's productive or helpful, really - 70 Mom, 30 Dad.

Now? 99 Dad, 1 Mom.

The only thing we have to go on regarding mom's accusations is OP and his denial. ( I alas missed mom's posts on the other board, but was there for his name spinning fun). He denies doing anything mom claims - like beating her and raping her - but he is in denial about so many other things where we know he is out of touch with reality that I fear that the things mom accused dad of are true even if he cannot grasp it. If you take the things mom accused OP here of doing, I think her actions were in both her and the child's interest. We only know him by posts --- she had the pleasure of reasoning with him in person... So blame wise, I suspect OP's actions in the relationship led mom to act as she did and thus I might place the blame squarely on his shoulders even when she fled the state. Of course she does have some blame - she chose him.

But also agree blame isn't helpful...

He's messed this up so bad, Christina lovey. So, so bad.

This is no kidding. Even if everything mom says OP did is true, gospel, he would still likely have unsupervised visitation with kiddo had he listened to anything anyone told him.

and the fact he is evading the questions about seeing the kiddo, is an answer in and of itself... This has NEVER been about the child.

But, just when I wonder where Spinny is, oops there he is!

[llworking]

The only thing we have to go on regarding mom's accusations is OP and his denial. ( I alas missed mom's posts on the other board, but was there for his name spinning fun). He denies doing anything mom claims - like beating her and raping her - but he is in denial about so many other things where we know he is out of touch with reality that I fear that the things mom accused dad of are true even if he cannot grasp it. If you take the things mom accused OP here of doing, I think her actions were in both her and the child's interest. We only know him by posts --- she had the pleasure of reasoning with him in person... So blame wise, I suspect OP's actions in the relationship led mom to act as she did and thus I might place the blame squarely on his shoulders even when she fled the state. Of course she does have some blame - she chose him.

But also agree blame isn't helpful...




This is no kidding. Even if everything mom says OP did is true, gospel, he would still likely have unsupervised visitation with kiddo had he listened to anything anyone told him.

and the fact he is evading the questions about seeing the kiddo, is an answer in and of itself... This has NEVER been about the child.

But, just when I wonder where Spinny is, oops there he is!

This child is also not his first child. His first child he eventually allowed the husband of that mother to adopt the child, which he talked about it getting him off the hook for child support.

He said something recently about giving up his rights to THIS child so that this mom's new husband could adopt the child.

[Dogmatique]

I think there are actually three children.