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    Default Can You Get Around Liftetime Revocation by Applying for a License in Another State

    My question involves a driver's license issued by the State of: Indiana

    My brother is currently in prison for driving offenses in Indiana that repeatedly stem all the way back to when he was 19-20 years of age. He is now 43 and still in the Indiana system from repeatedly getting pulled over and in trouble for the same thing over and over which was driving while suspended that later turned into habitual traffic violator and then turned into driving on lifetime revoked. He is now wondering if he was to move to other states would this follow him to those states? Like here where I live is one state from him and its Ohio and I offered him to live here with me to try to get this all fixed but I want to see if it is something that could be fixed by doing this I guess.
    He used to get bad offenses which is what started all of this by getting a DWI the first couple times and it just snow balled from there cause it was just driving while suspended as his violations after that. He has not had any alcohol offenses in a good 20 years or so now but it doesn't seem to matter to Indiana anymore so now he gets randomly pulled over for something like a mere 3 over the speed limit on his moped last fall and they used that small amount over the speed limit to violate his parole and sent him right back to prison again. This man has spent more time in prison for driving violations that allot of people who have killed others.

    So what is the diagnosis on this? Would he maybe be able to get away from the Indiana prison system by moving to Ohio and trying to start over some how?

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    Wild idea here...he needs to stop driving if his license is revoked. Voila! Problem solved.

    If a law enforcement officer sees him driving any kind of vehicle, and they are aware of his license status, they are going to pull him over. He is breaking the law.

    No other state is likely to issue a license to someone who is a habitual offender/lifetime revokee in another state. It's just not gonna happen. A state is not going to want to inherit another state's problems if they can avoid it. Will he go to prison in another state for driving revoked? Probably not the first time but eventually it will get there. But more on that below.

    If he is on probation/parole, he will need permission to move to another state. Assuming the other state takes him, he will still be subject to the same restrictions and driving while revoked will be a violation of those terms. Guess what happens after that occurs a few times? Back to the slam for some more time.

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    Default Re: Can You Get Around Liftetime Revocation by Applying for a License in Another Stat

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    Wild idea here...he needs to stop driving if his license is revoked. Voila! Problem solved.

    If a law enforcement officer sees him driving any kind of vehicle, and they are aware of his license status, they are going to pull him over. He is breaking the law.

    No other state is likely to issue a license to someone who is a habitual offender/lifetime revokee in another state. It's just not gonna happen. A state is not going to want to inherit another state's problems if they can avoid it. Will he go to prison in another state for driving revoked? Probably not the first time but eventually it will get there. But more on that below.

    If he is on probation/parole, he will need permission to move to another state. Assuming the other state takes him, he will still be subject to the same restrictions and driving while revoked will be a violation of those terms. Guess what happens after that occurs a few times? Back to the slam for some more time.
    First off where did I say he was breaking the law besides the 3 MPH over the limit? The rest of the driving is not breaking the law as he is on a scooter. Let someone take away your driving privileges and see if you still come up with a way that is legal for you to make it to work. He lives in a small town and it does not have a transit system to let him get to and from places by paying for his ride. A moped is his only way to get to DR appt's, work, and the store for food so I commend him at leased trying to keep it legal to do those things. I mean who in a car gets pulled over for such a small amount over the limit? Here in Ohio our officers say they do not pull over till 5mph then they will nail you. Thats from them not from me so I would assume that most states would be about the same but that's a guess.
    He WAS on parole before but he should not be this time when he gets out. He is finishing his sentence this time and not getting released early so no probation or parole should be on him. I guess there could be but you just never know till the release comes.

    Is what you say out of knowledge or are you just spilling info that you do not know as true completely? I ask cause most of what you say sounds in your words like you are guessing at it. I am really not needing guesses as I am trying to help this man fix what he has done. I thought this place would be the right place to get some good info so please if you know what you are talking about then post but if you are actually guessing don't bother. Sorry if this offends you or anyone else and if it does I apologize for that.

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    Back off the attitude. I can't help it if you don't like what I have to say. There are plenty of legal ways to get around for people who manage to get their license revoked. Cabs, buses, friends, neighbors, shoe-leather express. It matters not what an officer says their normal routine is. If there is no allowance in the law for any leeway in speed enforcement, he is breaking the law and they are free to stop him. It sounds like maybe the local law enforcement doesn't like him, given his previous driving record I can't say I blame them. As for any margins in speed enforcement, it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. For instance, in my state of GA speed trap laws require local and county law enforcement to get you 10+ to issue a ticket, with some exceptions. They are still free to stop you, they just can't give you a ticket. State patrol can nail your butt for anything over the limit.

    I am quite serious when I say that no state that I can think of will license someone who has been classified a habitual offender and had a lifetime revoke status placed on their license. If you don't like what I, or any other volunteer, says...go pay a lawyer in Ohio to tell you.

    I'm curious, given your brother's absolute inability to drive within the bounds of the law...what makes you think anything will be different in Ohio than it is in Indiana?

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    Back off the attitude. I can't help it if you don't like what I have to say. There are plenty of legal ways to get around for people who manage to get their license revoked. Cabs, buses, friends, neighbors, shoe-leather express. It matters not what an officer says their normal routine is. If there is no allowance in the law for any leeway in speed enforcement, he is breaking the law and they are free to stop him. It sounds like maybe the local law enforcement doesn't like him, given his previous driving record I can't say I blame them. As for any margins in speed enforcement, it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. For instance, in my state of GA speed trap laws require local and county law enforcement to get you 10+ to issue a ticket, with some exceptions. They are still free to stop you, they just can't give you a ticket. State patrol can nail your butt for anything over the limit.

    I am quite serious when I say that no state that I can think of will license someone who has been classified a habitual offender and had a lifetime revoke status placed on their license. If you don't like what I, or any other volunteer, says...go pay a lawyer in Ohio to tell you.

    I'm curious, given your brother's absolute inability to drive within the bounds of the law...what makes you think anything will be different in Ohio than it is in Indiana?
    I have not once had an attitude towards you so please don't tell me to back off with my attitude. People with an attitude don't apologize if the way something is worded offends or makes them feel a certain way.
    As I stated in my last post there is ZERO ways for him to get anywhere to do his things or even survive by getting his food. There is NO public transportation where he lives what so ever. He is alone where he lives so has no one to take him. Besides that who really would want to put friends out all of the time to take you to and from work, go to the store, go to the DR or things like that? I mean once in a while is one thing but all day every day is something else.
    You have been assuming that he is breaking the law each and every time in which he is not always doing that. I gave 3 mph over as an example cause its something that can happen to anyone but he has also been arrested just working with another felon in which when they came to his work to get the other guy they then questioned my brother about him being there and violated his parole/probation back then as well. He had no idea who the guy even was and didn't know or talk to him to even know that he was a felon. How is that right? You don't blame the law for hating my brother but yet you know nothing about him or how he has been getting the shaft in any of this.
    I again apologize for if I sound this way but for some reason you don't seem to know how to talk to people without sounding harsh or helpful at all. I mean you understand why police hate him??? Come on wow.

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    Default Re: Can You Get Around Liftetime Revocation by Applying for a License in Another Stat

    You have been assuming that he is breaking the law each and every time in which he is not always doing that.

    Please explain how someone who has a lifetime revocation of his license can drive without breaking the law.

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    First off where did I say he was breaking the law besides the 3 MPH over the limit? The rest of the driving is not breaking the law as he is on a scooter. Let someone take away your driving privileges and see if you still come up with a way that is legal for you to make it to work. He lives in a small town and it does not have a transit system to let him get to and from places by paying for his ride. A moped is his only way to get to DR appt's, work, and the store for food so I commend him at leased trying to keep it legal to do those things. I mean who in a car gets pulled over for such a small amount over the limit? Here in Ohio our officers say they do not pull over till 5mph then they will nail you. Thats from them not from me so I would assume that most states would be about the same but that's a guess.
    He WAS on parole before but he should not be this time when he gets out. He is finishing his sentence this time and not getting released early so no probation or parole should be on him. I guess there could be but you just never know till the release comes.

    Is what you say out of knowledge or are you just spilling info that you do not know as true completely? I ask cause most of what you say sounds in your words like you are guessing at it. I am really not needing guesses as I am trying to help this man fix what he has done. I thought this place would be the right place to get some good info so please if you know what you are talking about then post but if you are actually guessing don't bother. Sorry if this offends you or anyone else and if it does I apologize for that.
    If its legal for your brother to use a scooter in OH without having a driver's license then yes, he would probably be better off out of the small town he is currently living in, and livng somewhere else.

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    If its legal for your brother to use a scooter in OH without having a driver's license then yes, he would probably be better off out of the small town he is currently living in, and livng somewhere else.
    Unfortunately, OH requires a license with motorcycle endorsement or motorcycle license for scooters.

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    He would be required to falsify the OH DL application, which is another crime. The license will not be worth the plastic it is made from. You seem to have a disconnect with the reality that this problem could have gone away many times, had he not been a habitual repeat offender. Each time he has done so, it has been at the risk of other licensed drivers on the road. Why should anyone pity a person who has recklessly disregarded their safety?

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    Your brother might consider a mobility scooter. They don't require a license and though generally they are for someone with a physical disability, it is not required.

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