When is Emancipation Before Age of 16 Possible

[peterkwak]

My question involves juvenile law in the State of: Oregon
Okay so let's make this story fast. My dad has been on medical marijuana and I absolutely am disgusted. Not because he's doing it (he's doing it legally, now.), but because he's so protective. My mom died when I was six years old, and with my dad working all day long, I was raised independent. I do everything myself, cook, learn, take care of personal needs, and meet with friends. I want to get emancipated because my dad doesn't care about what I do. All he does is tell me what I do wrong, and doesn't appreciate my success. So I want to live by myself, work by myself, learn by myself, and raise my way to college and success personally. The reason him smoking medical marijuana bothers me so much is because my close friends mom, that we've known since I was born, told me he has been doing it EIGHT years before he got his permit to smoke legally. So I'd assume, chances are, he doesn't have any sort of legitimate medical condition. I get a type of allergic reaction from the smell of it. When I smell it, my throat tightens and feels swollen and I get a headache. I don't know if they are actually symptoms or if they're just me over thinking about it mentally, however, they always occur when I'm near it.
I want to live a successful life. More than my dad has. He works as a janitor at the post office and just lives a regular life. My dream is to adventure into Harvard and become a lawyer, probably an attorney. It's hard to live such a life when your dad doesn't help you with any school work, or take you anywhere required. I've always rode the bus (which is obviously completely fine), did projects myself since I was seven, and had to learn everything new by myself. Today I told my dad I felt allergic to his medical marijuana and that it gave me headaches and he just blew up. He was absolutely FURIOUS, he was very protective and yelled at me and just told me to move out then. Which isn't possible, but maybe is if I can become emancipated. Which seems simple enough, but isn't because I'm only thirteen years old. I figured being emancipated would be no different from my life as it is now. I already have to pay my dads bills, set up our new cell phones, and take care of myself. I would just need to get a job to make enough money. I can take care of myself, pay bills, take care of school, and earn money. Just like I would if I was 18. School is pretty simple for me, and is easy to get around so I calculated about how much I would earn in a month, assuming my job would be minimum wage in Oregon, (8.80 x 8 x 12) + (8.80 x 4 x 20) = 1548.8. Four hours on weekdays, 20 weekdays a month and 8 hours on weekends. It isn't exact, cause months are different but its pretty close. I'm ahead of my math curve at school by two years and earn all A's by myself and independently. Is it possible for me to get emancipated before the age of 16? I'm currently 13 and turning 14 very soon.

[Mr. Knowitall]

Read the stickied threads. As much as you may feel that the same laws that apply to everybody else do not apply to you, regrettably they do.

[Dogmatique]

There is absolutely no way you're going to be emancipated. You do not earn enough now, and your projection is not going to convince a court that you can survive by yourself. Heck, that wouldn't even cover your rent, food & utilities.

If you are in physical danger, please contact child services.

[cbg]

There are NO circumstances whatsoever under which a 13 year old can be emancipated in any state. You have no idea how difficult it would be for you to earn enough for complete self support on what a young teen could earn, while still going to school.

[Dogmatique]

And let's see what that $1500/month will get you in Oregon (heck, I'll even use that as net income, which OP didn't):


Average 1 bed apartment rental: 850
Average utilities for said apt (does not include cable/internet/phone) : 150
Average cost of food, 1 person (being VERY frugal): 200
Medical insurance (the cheapest I could find): 260
Clothing: 75
Sundry items: 60


Uh oh - we've already gone over budget.

Now what?

[cbg]

And where, oh where, is the OP going to find an apartment manager to rent to them without parental permission?

FYI, there's nothing stopping you from achieving your goal.

[Dogmatique]

Crickets chirping.

[peterkwak]

And let's see what that $1500/month will get you in Oregon (heck, I'll even use that as net income, which OP didn't):


Average 1 bed apartment rental: 850
Average utilities for said apt (does not include cable/internet/phone) : 150
Average cost of food, 1 person (being VERY frugal): 200
Medical insurance (the cheapest I could find): 260
Clothing: 75
Sundry items: 60


Uh oh - we've already gone over budget.

Now what?

I don't know why forumers are always so negative. Whether its a gaming forum, or a law forum it seems any where I go people will assume ignorance or foolishness of a thread creator just looking for assistance. I didn't ask for my mistakes, I was asking if it was possible to get emancipated before I was sixteen.
I looked around my area and found an apartment for $800 a month and it's a one bedroom one bathroom average apartment. I've been raised conservative and usually don't need sundry items, except things like toilet paper. assuming I don't mess anything up. Clothing? In the past 13 years I've been alive, after my mom died, when I was six, I only bought $200 worth of clothing in 2011. Besides that, I haven't bought any clothing. Except maybe a couple of cheap collared shirts for school occasions at goodwill. Medical insurance shouldn't be an issue considering all I'll be doing is going to work, and going to school, (Both nearby the apartment.) but I'll pick it up. I also don't use cable. I don't see reason in watching TV when I can download or purchase or view things that I actually want to watch on the internet.
One bed apartment - $800
Average utilities - $150
Internet and cell service - $50 ~ $65
Medical insurance - $260
Food - $150 (With my income, the school will provide me free lunch and breakfast. I'm close to the principal of our school, and teachers. I'm sure they can help me work something out.)
Leaves me about $100 each month for use of items such as toilet paper, un-owned clothing for occasions.
So I'll have extra money in case of items that are needed in desperation.
No need to worry about transportation because everything is extremely close nearby.

"And where, oh where, is the OP going to find an apartment manager to rent to them without parental permission?

FYI, there's nothing stopping you from achieving your goal."

I've been told the rent can be under someone elses name, but have me staying there. As long as I'm supervised every so often. I don't have a LOT of friends, but the adults I know, I'm close too.

"There are NO circumstances whatsoever under which a 13 year old can be emancipated in any state. You have no idea how difficult it would be for you to earn enough for complete self support on what a young teen could earn, while still going to school."

From my list of things, is there something I don't have that I need to buy? Also.. Everyone just aims money on me being thirteen. Assuming you get emancipated at age 16, isn't it still likely you'll be set on minimum wage?


-- Overall, I'm just looking for feedback and help. I'm not trying to say it'll work 100%. I want to see if I can make it work.

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Also, I understand there's restrictions from working as 13 year old part-time. But I'm guessing IF I got emancipated I'd have the rights as an adult and have no work limit excluding finishing before 7pm, starting before 7am, and working at pubs etc. I would like to know; if I WERE to get emancipated, would that allow me to apply for things such as food stamps, and things that adults could do? Except for driving and voting, etc.

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Oh and, that was just a rough calculation. I understand that it's not net income and hasn't been taxed; I can guarantee you though, I'm sure there's some sort of aid I could apply too. Otherwise, how else would minimum wage workers survive?

[Dogmatique]

You're not getting it.

Emancipation means that you don't NEED adult supervision - you are completely, utterly, 100% on your own.

You need to prove to the court that you are completely able to be self-sufficient. In Oregon, that means earning around $40k (since that's the average single income). Can you do that at 16, while keeping excellent grades?

Peter, there is a very good reason why even the States which have a statute allowing a minor to be emancipated rarely actually grant such petitions. In fact, the court will look for any reason at all to NOT grant the petition. Emancipation is about need - not wants.

This isn't about being negative - it's about being realistic and telling you the truth.

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And you absolutely WILL NOT be emancipated if you're needing financial help from the State.

[PandorasBox]

I feel for you.

"When I smell it, my throat tightens and feels swollen and I get a headache. I don't know if they are actually symptoms or if they're just me over thinking about it mentally, however, they always occur when I'm near it."

You are very possibly allergic to marijuana. I know I am. I can't get Lawn Tickets or Balcony for concerts - my heart starts to race, I have a hard time breathing, and get very light headed.

That said....you are simply too young to be emancipated, along with not having a full time job, full time school.

You need to talk to your school counselor or Principal, since you are close to them.

You can't use the hearsay that Dad has been smoking dope for 8 years before being granted Medical Marihuana (note the spelling, this is how many Medical Marihuana places spell the name). These are new laws and each township even has different stances. You also have no proof unless Dad has a record for possession/use of marijuana BEFORE the Medical Marihuana laws were signed. You can mention it in passing to your principal or counselor, but I don't recommend the police on it.