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  1. #1
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    Default Re: What Happens if You Refuse to Attend Substance Abuse Counseling

    Here we go... You can't be the victim if you knowingly and willingly engage in an illegal act. The court orders a substance abuse program for treatment of an issue that you brought to the table. The state has guidelines as to who facilitates such a program. What class is the school taking care of? Who referred you to the program? Why did they refer you? Who facilitates the program? What curriculum does it use?

    Lastly, quit commenting on how the court seems intent on breaking college students banks. There is no correlation between the court ordering you for treatment of an issue that you presented and student loans. BTW, marijuana use and a convition for it, could affect you scholarship couldn't it?

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    Default Re: What Happens if You Refuse to Attend Substance Abuse Counseling

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    Here we go... You can't be the victim if you knowingly and willingly engage in an illegal act. The court orders a substance abuse program for treatment of an issue that you brought to the table. The state has guidelines as to who facilitates such a program. What class is the school taking care of? Who referred you to the program? Why did they refer you? Who facilitates the program? What curriculum does it use?

    Lastly, quit commenting on how the court seems intent on breaking college students banks. There is no correlation between the court ordering you for treatment of an issue that you presented and student loans. BTW, marijuana use and a convition for it, could affect you scholarship couldn't it?
    The school is taking care of two classes, one being a civilities class the other being a drug/alcohol class. The former being a class that is about how our actions as an individual affect others. The latter being a class that teaches the negative effects of drug and alcohol use, and how to avoid becoming attached or ever using in the first place. The Dean of Students referred me to the programs because this is the normal action that the school takes for such cases. When I went to the civilities class, there were two teachers and the dean overseeing it. One was had a masters in sociology, the other had a masters but I can't think of their field.

    You're wrong on the correlation. If a student has money saved for college, but they have to pay an arm and a leg for something the court ordered them to do, the likeliness of them having to take loans for college increases as they have less money to spend on said enrollment in college.

    I spoke with the Dean about my scholarships, she said that something "as insignificant as getting busted for smoking won't alter my scholarship status", so I'm all set in that manner.

    Also, I would like to add that the topic title was changed. I never had the intention to "refuse to attend counseling", it's more of "I truly do not see the point, what should I discuss with my probation officer in regard to this counseling". Whoever changed the title should learn how to read through my first post correctly.

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    Default Re: What Happens if You Refuse to Attend Substance Abuse Counseling

    I's not a school matter with regard to the criminal aspect of you getting caght with the substance. The main reason that the probation officer won't/can't accept the school's programs. 1. That's not what the court ordered. 2. The reason that the court sends you to outside agencies for the treatment is because they have to taught by someone with that particilar background. One would need to be a CADC in order to provide state certified services. Any treatment from someone without it is deemed insufficient.

    The correlation is still flawed. Your sentence is one that any individual, student or not, would have received as a result of a finding of guilt for this. The state did not bend you over, you did. Now you pay the price that anyone with this sentence would have to pay.

    I agree with you Dean as well. However, a permanent conviction for failure to comply, coupled with the jail time might.

    BTW, I didn't comment on the header to your thread because I know that it sometimes can get altered. But, your attitude shows that it's not far from the truth. You need to suck it up and do the court ordered programs. That would really be in your best interest.

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    Default Re: What Happens if You Refuse to Attend Substance Abuse Counseling

    Here is the simple answer to your thread title question. Your probation officer isn't going to ask the court to change the terms of your probation no matter how much you complain or whine about it. Rather, the contrary.

    1. Your probation officer violates you.
    2. You get arrested and put in jail with a major bond.
    3. You appear before the original judge who revokes your probation and sentences you to whatever sentence was withheld, or if no sentence was withheld, he is free to sentence you to the maximum allowed by statute (along with fines) and usually does.
    4. You are transported back to the county jail or perhaps to state prison where you will serve your sentence.
    5. Say goodbye college and enjoy your stupidity.
    6. You have a criminal conviction on your permanent record so good luck with the minimum wage job search you will be conducting when you get out.

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