15 Year Old Pregnant by 18 Year Old Boy

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See thats the thing is your not realizing that alot of kids in todays generation dont live in the perfect little world that people hope for. They get neglected and sometimes abused and have to find a means to support themselves. Getting pregnant, or having sex period, is not that means but alot of young girls run towards it anyway.

see, that's the thing you are not realizing:

that is why the laws are there; to protect the kids that nobody else will. If you notice, I am not trying to find fault with the minor female here. I was a kid once too and I remember what I was doing.

I am clearly saying the adult male was the person in the wrong for having sex with a 15 yo girl. He is who will be prosecuted and face the penalties.

[cyjeff]

See thats the thing is your not realizing that alot of kids in todays generation dont live in the perfect little world that people hope for. They get neglected and sometimes abused and have to find a means to support themselves. Getting pregnant, or having sex period, is not that means but alot of young girls run towards it anyway.

Are you saying it is okay for children to have sex or okay for children to sell themselves as prostitutes to support themselves?

Not only are you wrong... completely and utterly... but you are edging towards a discussion that isn't CLOSE to appropriate.

[viol8te]

Are you saying it is okay for children to have sex or okay for children to sell themselves as prostitutes to support themselves?

Not only are you wrong... completely and utterly... but you are edging towards a discussion that isn't CLOSE to appropriate.

I Think that byrdnmoon's goal is to minimize judgement on the 15 year old. Which by most of the knowledgeable posters on this topic, is an issue. I think that moon fails to realize that it is accepted and acknowledged that a lot of these kids live in really imperfect places. Therefore, the sentiment that we are trying to get across is: THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO CALL THE POLICE WHEN AN 18 YEAR OLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT LITTLE GIRL! The age difference may not be as bad as some other situations, but by the law, it is illegal and an 18 year old knows better than to talk the pants off a 15 year old.

[cyjeff]

I Think that byrdnmoon's goal is to minimize judgement on the 15 year old. Which by most of the knowledgeable posters on this topic, is an issue. I think that moon fails to realize that it is accepted and acknowledged that a lot of these kids live in really imperfect places. Therefore, the sentiment that we are trying to get across is: THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO CALL THE POLICE WHEN AN 18 YEAR OLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT LITTLE GIRL! The age difference may not be as bad as some other situations, but by the law, it is illegal and an 18 year old knows better than to talk the pants off a 15 year old.

Agree. If you want to stop the exploitation of children, you don't look the other way when one is exploited.

I will NEVER be okay with someone sitting on the side and wondering "should I call the police about a child I know is being raped/exploited/abused." To me, that answer is akin to "should I take my next breath".

If you took the time to find this website and post a question, you waited too long. What if the abuse/rape was repeated while you were wondering what to do? What if this was the time the child's abuse killed him/her? Or gave her a child as the result of that rape/abuse... as in THIS CASE?

How do you look yourself in the mirror after looking away?

Would you call the police if you saw a car accident? Would you call an ambulance if you saw one of the drivers bleeding? Would you try to protect the drivers from further injury from each other or other drivers by putting on your hazard lights and stopping?

Why wouldn't you stop and help a child... a CHILD! There is still this stigma around sex... that folks feel uncomfortable and voyeuristic calling the police about sexual issues... we need to get the hell over that.

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Couldn't have said it better! There are too many people trying to justify the action when it involves them or somebody that they know that's really not a bad guy, He just bangs teenagers.

[byrdnmoon]

Are you saying it is okay for children to have sex or okay for children to sell themselves as prostitutes to support themselves?

Not only are you wrong... completely and utterly... but you are edging towards a discussion that isn't CLOSE to appropriate.

Quite Frankly I dont care what you think is appropriate but as I CLEARLY stated that is not the means they are looking for but they still go looking in that direction. And in case you want to misinterpret that statement as well the point I am bringing up is the fact that young girls think having sex makes them a woman and therefore able to support themselves. This is NOT true. Having sex does not make you a woman and being a woman doesnt make taking care of yourself any easy. It actually makes it harder because you have a responsiblity to pay your bills.

Agree. If you want to stop the exploitation of children, you don't look the other way when one is exploited.

I will NEVER be okay with someone sitting on the side and wondering "should I call the police about a child I know is being raped/exploited/abused." To me, that answer is akin to "should I take my next breath".

If you took the time to find this website and post a question, you waited too long. What if the abuse/rape was repeated while you were wondering what to do? What if this was the time the child's abuse killed him/her? Or gave her a child as the result of that rape/abuse... as in THIS CASE?

How do you look yourself in the mirror after looking away?

Would you call the police if you saw a car accident? Would you call an ambulance if you saw one of the drivers bleeding? Would you try to protect the drivers from further injury from each other or other drivers by putting on your hazard lights and stopping?

Why wouldn't you stop and help a child... a CHILD! There is still this stigma around sex... that folks feel uncomfortable and voyeuristic calling the police about sexual issues... we need to get the hell over that.

I one hundred percent agree. But I feel as if the word rape is being thrown around a little too much for this case. The Law does state that this was considered rape and the law is what matters but for morals sake this girl was not raped. She consented, even though she is not old enough to consent, she took the law in her hands. This man could have a rape charge on his name for the rest of his life for one mistake. He SHOULD NOT have taken the pants off of a 15 yo but he also shouldnt have to live with a record. Maybe I am letting my feelings get in the way of the Laws but lets think about this in a realistic way and realize that a sexual offender charge is a big deal and this YOUNG boy doesnt deserve to carry it. Now if this boy doesnt learn his lesson and continues to think its okay thats a different story but as we are all talking about how young this girl is nobody is realizing how young the boy is. He is old enough to make his own desicions so he was wrong but he is young and who hasnt made mistakes or did something before thinking it through when they were young. Im not saying the Law has changed just take these things into consideration when critisizing this YOUNG man.

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byrdnmoon;539484]

I one hundred percent agree. But I feel as if the word rape is being thrown around a little too much for this case. The Law does state that this was considered rape and the law is what matters but for morals sake this girl was not raped. She consented, even though she is not old enough to consent, she took the law in her hands. This man could have a rape charge on his name for the rest of his life for one mistake. He SHOULD NOT have taken the pants off of a 15 yo but he also shouldnt have to live with a record.

How can you say that? We only know of one time. For all we know, he has been molesting this girl for years and hundreds of times. Would it change your mind if it happened twice? 8 times? 100 times?

Maybe I am letting my feelings get in the way of the Laws but lets think about this in a realistic way and realize that a sexual offender charge is a big deal and this YOUNG boy doesnt deserve to carry it.

Yes, he does deserve to carry it.

Now if this boy doesnt learn his lesson and continues to think its okay thats a different story but as we are all talking about how young this girl is nobody is realizing how young the boy is.

again, how do you know this is his first time (although that is truly irrelevant but if it works for this, I think it should work for murder as well; I can see it now; but it was my first murder. Don't I get a mulligan because I didn't know better?) He could have been hitting it with dozens of little girls. Heck, he could have 12 little kids running around for all we know. The fact is; that is not relevant. You don't get mulligans when you use your adult mind to take advantage of a little girl.

He is old enough to make his own desicions so he was wrong but he is young and who hasnt made mistakes or did something before thinking it through when they were young. Im not saying the Law has changed just take these things into consideration when critisizing this YOUNG man.

change that to "this ADULT who molested a child, that according to the law, is a second degree felony"

[byrdnmoon]

How can you say that? We only know of one time. For all we know, he has been molesting this girl for years and hundreds of times. Would it change your mind if it happened twice? 8 times? 100 times?

Yes, he does deserve to carry it.

again, how do you know this is his first time (although that is truly irrelevant but if it works for this, I think it should work for murder as well; I can see it now; but it was my first murder. Don't I get a mulligan because I didn't know better?) He could have been hitting it with dozens of little girls. Heck, he could have 12 little kids running around for all we know. The fact is; that is not relevant. You don't get mulligans when you use your adult mind to take advantage of a little girl.


change that to "this ADULT who molested a child, that according to the law, is a second degree felony"

Im not going to argue anymore because this is not my fight to fight but your right about this man COULD have done it before and COULD do it again but if we are going off of coulds then this COULD have been the first and last time this boy ever messes with a minor. But seeing as how we are going off of the facts this man doesnt deserve to carry the charge from what I have read. I stated earlier that the age difference isnt that great and which it isnt. 18 yo males are typically blind to life. They dont realize when a decision is lifealtering. And they are also typically immature and worried about childish things like drugs, alcohol, and sex. Not to say all men around that age are as described but nobody knows this boy and therefore should be stating the laws not critisizing the boy. He deserves to be looked at as a human before a monster that RAPES LITTLE GIRLS!

I am not judging you.

I am telling you that you know a child has been raped and are doing NOTHING... That is not judgmental... it is simply fact.

Let me ask you this... if one of your children was being raped and a person knew about it, would YOU want that adult to call the police?

As to the rest, I think I can live with the slings and arrows from a person that is willing to look the other way when a child has been molested and raped.

Honestly, MINE is not the judgment you should worry about.

I noticed you didnt say you weren't critisizing her. Because you were. People get on this Forum for real answers not snide comments from someone who is so quick to judge that I figure something is on his consience.

Wow! Please don't take this into consideration. This young lady is quite off base. K-Nicole: At 15, this is rape. She might have not been forced, but the court is not going to allow for that to be acceptable. PLEASE DON'T PUT ADULT RESPONSIBILITY ON A 15 YEAR OLD!

While Adult Responsibility shouldnt be put on the 15 yo, she still knew what she was doing, no manipulation was done and now she is bearing child. She knew the risk and responsibilty of having sex and she put that risk and responsibility on herself.

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You guys aren't getting it at all.

See, in byrdnmoon's world, the responsibility must be shared by both the 15 year old and the adult who molested her. Because if it's not, that means her own little angel child 19 year old is guilty, and she doesn't want him to be.

Thus, the 15 year old must be equally responsible. Which is completely reprehensible when you consider that in her own case, the 15 year old is her own daughter and the 19 year old she is so fiercely defending is not even a foster son, though she calls him that.

This lady is beneath contempt.

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byrdnmoon;539493]Im not going to argue anymore because this is not my fight to fight but your right about this man COULD have done it before and COULD do it again but if we are going off of coulds then this COULD have been the first and last time this boy ever messes with a minor.

yet it is ok for you to go off in la la land and presume the guy was a virgin until having sex with this little girl one time. Did you notice that by the statute, any sexual touching is just as egregious? Do you think they hopped into bed without first getting touchy feely? Each act is an individual crime. I'm not trying to me mean to you but you are quite naive.

But seeing as how we are going off of the facts this man doesnt deserve to carry the charge from what I have read. I stated earlier that the age difference isnt that great and which it isnt. 18 yo males are typically blind to life.

then ask your legislators to raise the age of adulthood to something you believe is appropriate. When they reach 18 they are held to a higher standard. If you don't think they should be, then do something to get them considered a minor.

They dont realize when a decision is lifealtering.

they had better figure it out real fast because ignorance of the law is not a defense here.

And they are also typically immature and worried about childish things like drugs, alcohol, and sex.

drugs, alcohol, and sex are childish things? I think you are really missing the point; the alcohol and sex are not allowed to minors because they are too immature to be able to deal with the stuff.

Not to say all men around that age are as described but nobody knows this boy and therefore should be stating the laws not critisizing the boy

.why? he is the one that broke the law. Who would you prefer to blame for the girl being pregnant?

He deserves to be looked at as a human before a monster that RAPES LITTLE GIRLS!

why? You know the old: if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck, don't you?

While Adult Responsibility shouldnt be put on the 15 yo, she still knew what she was doing, no manipulation was done and now she is bearing child. She knew the risk and responsibilty of having sex and she put that risk and responsibility on herself.

well, again, you would be wrong. The law is what it is because the legislators of her state have determine she is not capable of making those decision. She did not have the maturity to do so but the boy did and he should be held accountable for his actions.