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    Default Presidential Dollars Not Accepted at Post Office

    My question involves a consumer law issue in the State of: California

    The U.S. Post office will not accept Presidential dollars as payment for a U.S. money order. According to their website http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/503.htm#1150680

    14.2.3 Purchase Method
    Money orders must be paid for in one of these ways:

    a. In U.S. currency and coins (in any amount).
    b. With established traveler’s checks payable in U.S. dollars if the purchase is for at least 50% of the value of the traveler’s checks.
    c. With ATM/debit cards at locations approved by USPS Corporate Treasury where the customer’s personal identification number must be entered on a keypad connected to a credit/debit terminal.

    What should I do? How can I force them to accept Presidential dollars for a money order?

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    Payment, as with any mercantile establishment, is thier business decision. Although currency/coins are acceptable, they can pick and choose.

    I have looked this up before for other research and, at least in terms of a business, store, etc., they are not required to accept cash as a method of payment, that is straight form the U.S. Treasury's web page.

    Yes, you would think the govt. would be different, but seems not?

    To answer the Q of how to make them accept them, either file a direct complaint with that office or head man in DC. Filing suit to attempt to have an Order issued to make them comply is, although a legal possibility, it is basically over the top.

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    Payment, as with any mercantile establishment, is thier business decision. Although currency/coins are acceptable, they can pick and choose.

    I have looked this up before for other research and, at least in terms of a business, store, etc., they are not required to accept cash as a method of payment, that is straight form the U.S. Treasury's web page.

    Yes, you would think the govt. would be different, but seems not?

    To answer the Q of how to make them accept them, either file a direct complaint with that office or head man in DC. Filing suit to attempt to have an Order issued to make them comply is, although a legal possibility, it is basically over the top.
    Everything I have read requires the US government to accept all "legal tender" and cannot limit the denominations. . Additionally, from the USPS' own website, they accept:

    14.2.3 Purchase Method
    Money orders must be paid for in one of these ways:

    a. In U.S. currency and coins (in any amount).
    b. With established traveler’s checks payable in U.S. dollars if the purchase is for at least 50% of the value of the traveler’s checks.
    c. With ATM/debit cards at locations approved by USPS Corporate Treasury where the customer’s personal identification number must be entered on a keypad connected to a credit/debit terminal.
    so between they being a federal agency and within their own rules, I see no right to refuse to accept dollar coins as payment.

    I would either contact the postmaster at the office involved and if that doesn't give the results sought, contact the postmaster generals office.

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    Default Re: Presidential Dollars Not Accepted at Post Office

    They also do not have to accept $900.00 dollars in loose penies, or even rolled for that matter, for a Money Order, so while cash/coins is a method of payment, they can choose which method. Now the Preseidential dollars not being accepted I guess depends on the money order amount unless they have been specifically told not to accept them?

    Again, 900 PD's is a tad overboard, as a comparative example.

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    They also do not have to accept $900.00 dollars in loose penies, or even rolled for that matter, for a Money Order, so while cash/coins is a method of payment, they can choose which method. Now the Preseidential dollars not being accepted I guess depends on the money order amount unless they have been specifically told not to accept them?

    Again, 900 PD's is a tad overboard, as a comparative example.
    I would disagree with them being able to refuse the pennies. Since the Coinage Act 1965, there is no right for a fed agency to restrict payment to any specific amount of coins. They are all considered "legal tender" and as such, valid for all federal debts. I tried to find validation for such a claim before and cannot find one.

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    I would disagree with them being able to refuse the pennies. Since the Coinage Act 1965, there is no right for a fed agency to restrict payment to any specific amount of coins. They are all considered "legal tender" and as such, valid for all federal debts. I tried to find validation for such a claim before and cannot find one.
    Can you cite "specifically" within that act, and or case law, that MANDATES a federal agency must accept the pennies or Susan B's or Presidential dollars or Ikes. If not specific in nature, citing that it is legal tender is not a mandate for acceptance.

    Although I quoted a merchant is not required to accept cash/coins, per the Treasury web site, the law I read is the same for the govt?

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    I would disagree with them being able to refuse the pennies. Since the Coinage Act 1965, there is no right for a fed agency to restrict payment to any specific amount of coins. They are all considered "legal tender" and as such, valid for all federal debts. I tried to find validation for such a claim before and cannot find one.
    Actually several courts have ruled that the government does not have to accept payments via coinage that would be extreme or cause disruption to the services of the office. State v. Carroll, 1997 WL 118064 (Ohio App. 4 Dist) for example the courts held that the court clerk did have to accept pennies as payment of a $128 bill. The court reasoned "It defies logic and common sense that this Congress intended such a wooden and broad application of the statute beyond the control of the payee regardless of the circumstances." The Court clerk only had to accept such payments as to meet the legal requirement to do so and "provide a reasonable procedure for the place, time and manner of accepting fines consistent with the efficient operation of the clerk's office."

    I'm sure there are other court cases to support the argument that the Postal service does not have to accept the dollar coins if the payment amount would encumber the office workers to undue hardship in processing the payment. If they are refusing to accept the coin for a postage stamp, that is a seperate manner.

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    Thank you this is what I am concerned about. According to THE USPS website as shown above (14.2.3 clearly states that US currency and coin in any amount) See I had 2 $100 bills and 2 rolls of Presidential dollars and 2 individual presidential dollars. The post office refused the presidential dollars for a $250.00 money order. I was not doing this intentionally I just didnt have $50 in paper money. So I ask again what rights since this clearly states that Currency and coin is accepted as payment for a money order. I also got this entire ordeal on video showing that I was denied to use the coin. I didnt have problems before using the presidential dollars as payment at the same post office. They accepted it 2 times from me in the past and now suddenly I am being told they will not accept them. I also recently was informed that this specific post office will not accept any form of Coins only paper money. If anyone is interested in taking the case if I have one I would love to hear from you.

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    If anyone is interested in taking the case if I have one I would love to hear from you.
    You better be prepared for the rush of messages from attorneys who have nothing better to do but sue the post office to force them to take your coinage.

    Since you have no real damages, the most you'd get out of suing is to have the post office say "fine, give us the 50 coins and here's your M.O."... Are you prepared to pay an attorney for their time to take on your case?

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    Default Re: Presidential Dollars Not Accepted at Post Office

    if you have already contacted the postmaster at that office, contact the postmaster general's office. This is not worth spending money on a lawyer.

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