LPO Violence and Wally World Policies

[Alias-X]

Can a LPO use violence if you dont answer him and simply walk away?
What about if you run?
Does it depend on the item....
Im wondering because im trying 2 broaden my knowledge on this topic....
Also... What do you gusy think about the new Wal Mart shoplifting policy with under 25$ for juveniles its not a crime? Any opinions?
Cheers

[IAAL]

Can a LPO use violence if you dont answer him and simply walk away?
What about if you run?
Does it depend on the item....
Im wondering because im trying 2 broaden my knowledge on this topic....
Also... What do you gusy think about the new Wal Mart shoplifting policy with under 25$ for juveniles its not a crime? Any opinions?
Cheers

My response:

1. Please define "violence."

2. Then, they will run after you.

3. No, it doesn't depend on the item.

4. You want to broaden your knowledge? Why? Do you intend on trying it out?

5. Wal-Mart polices are just that, policies. Theft, in any amount, is a crime, and Wal-Mart is free to decide when, and under what circumstances, they want to have a thief prosecuted - - whether it arises to the level of a misdemeanor or felony.

For more accurate responses, always tell us your State name because laws vary from State to State.

IAAL

[Alias-X]

No, I definately dont want to try it it's just that many of my friends and people around me are occasional or often shoplift and i wanted to personally know the reprocussions of those types of actions.
Personally I am definately not financially struggling and would much rather buy something than get a record over a cheap product.

New Question :

If your caught with "Tools" in a store is that a crime in itself or do you have 2 use them?

Violence means can a LPO touch you in a physically harming or restraining way if you do not follow there directions....
and if they run after you whats the worst case scenario?

State = California

[aaron]

Oh, c'mon. This isn't about your friends.

If your caught with "Tools" in a store is that a crime in itself or do you have 2 use them?

If you get caught with burglary tools, you can expect to be prosecuted.

Violence means can a LPO touch you in a physically harming or restraining way if you do not follow there directions....
and if they run after you whats the worst case scenario?

Can the LPO use reasonable force to detain you after catching you shoplifting? Yes. If you run away... they can catch you anyway.

[souperdave]

In keeping with the "tools" theme, Aaron hit the nail right on the head....on all points.

You keep walking away from me....you're passively resisting. KEYWORD---resisting. I'm going to "kick it up a notch" and stop you from walking away....however far you want to escalate the resistance at that point is up to you! But keep in mind....my back-up and/or the cops are on the way already.....just depends on if you want to risk possibly ending up in an E.R. before you end up in a cell....

Oh wait, your "friend(s) that is.

[rmet4nzkx]

We don't aid and abet.
Nice try,
No Cigar and you are too young anyway!
While Wally World may not call the police, they may apprehend you, even before you leave the store. Ignoring them, will only insure that they call the police. The may also use a form of civil recovery that allows them to ask for several hundren dollars for an item worth pennies. It is not worth it and Wally World has a memory, a huge legal department and is known for prosecuting cases where the thief fails to pay the civil demand, so ignoring it won't make it go away, they will prosecute no matter what your friends might tell you.

[GreatGadsby]

in Florida you can't use force to protect property. if the security people ask to to stop, technically u r supposed to, but if you keep walking there's not a whole lot they can do.

[Happy Trails]

Can a LPO use violence if you dont answer him and simply walk away?
What about if you run?
Does it depend on the item....
Im wondering because im trying 2 broaden my knowledge on this topic....
Also... What do you gusy think about the new Wal Mart shoplifting policy with under 25$ for juveniles its not a crime? Any opinions?
Cheers

Theft is theft; it doesn't matter what amount the item was worth. If you want it, pay for it. I'm sure you would not like someone taking your possessions, no matter what the value.

I will also add this:

California 490.5.

(f) (1) A merchant may detain a person for a reasonable time for the purpose of conducting an investigation in a reasonable manner whenever the merchant has probable cause to believe the person to be detained is attempting to unlawfully take or has unlawfully taken merchandise from the merchant's premises.

(2) In making the detention a merchant, theater owner, or a person employed by a library facility may use a reasonable amount of nondeadly force necessary to protect himself or herself and to prevent escape of the person detained or the loss of tangible or intangible property.

(3) During the period of detention any items which a merchant.. has probable cause to believe are unlawfully taken from the premises of the merchant.. and which are in plain view may be examined by the merchant.. for the purposes of ascertaining the ownership thereof.

(4) A merchant, theater owner, a person employed by a library facility, or an agent thereof, having probable cause to believe the person detained was attempting to unlawfully take or has taken any item from the premises, or was attempting to operate a video recording device within the premises of a motion picture theater without the authority of the owner of the theater, may request the person detained to voluntarily surrender the item or recording. Should the person detained refuse to surrender the recording or item of which there is probable cause to believe has been recorded on or unlawfully taken from the premises, or attempted to be recorded or unlawfully taken from the premises, a limited and reasonable search may be conducted by those authorized to make the detention in order to recover the item. Only packages, shopping bags, handbags or other property in the immediate possession of the person detained, but not
including any clothing worn by the person, may be searched pursuant to this subdivision. Upon surrender or discovery of the item, the person detained may also be requested, but may not be required, to provide adequate proof of his or her true identity.

(6) A peace officer who accepts custody of a person arrested for an offense contained in this section may, subsequent to the arrest, search the person arrested and his or her immediate possessions for any item or items alleged to have been taken.

(7) In any civil action brought by any person resulting from a detention or arrest by a merchant, it shall be a defense to such action that the merchant detaining or arresting such person had probable cause to believe that the person had stolen or attempted to steal merchandise and that the merchant acted reasonably under all the circumstances.

[Alias-X]

This is pretty boring seeing as how everyone is pointing fingers at me for things I wouldn't even begin to do....
Such as...
Use Tools - I was once with a friend who took a magnet to a store with him and was only wondering because i was curious about the topic perhaps?
Run away- At my local Albertsons its right near my high school people constantly steal products from there and they are constantly caught and many of them run and so i was wondering what the implications of that were....
But anyway it seems as if you people have already made up your mind so congradulations for being wrong?

[aaron]

Since none of the answers you have received are relevant to your situation, and you apparently don't wish for people to comment on what even you appear to believe to be the criminal conduct of your friends, perhaps it is best to bring this discussion to a close.