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    Default How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    My question involves a speeding ticket from the State of: California

    This is probably a question for Carl (cdwjava) or one of the other LEOs on this board. How long does LIDAR certification last? If an officer was certified in 2006 would their cert still be good in 2011? Are there continuing education classes required?

    I believe the LIDAR units need to be certified every 3 years from an outside lab. What about the officers?

    Thanks in advance,
    Rob

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    Default Re: How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    Strictly speaking, a LIDAR unit never needs re-calibration per the manufacturer but most states require periodic calibration. Officers only need to be trained once in the unit they are using. You may wish to question the officer when he obtained his training & know when the unit was made before trial (then you can ask "were you trained on this specific unit?).

    If the 3 yr rule of re-calibration is mandatory in CA , maybe Carl will chime in.

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    Default Re: How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    Assuming the speed trap statute applies,
    Quote Quoting VC Section 40802. Speed Traps
    (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:
    (1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

    (2) A particular section of a highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within five years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects. This paragraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.
    (b)
    (1) For purposes of this section, a local street or road is ( ) one that is functionally classified as “local” on the “California Road System Maps,” that are approved by the Federal Highway Administration and maintained by the Department of Transportation. When a street or road does not appear on the “California Road System Maps,” it may be defined as a “local street or road” if it primarily provides access to abutting residential property and meets the following three conditions:
    (A) Roadway width of not more than 40 feet.

    (B) Not more than one-half of a mile of uninterrupted length. Interruptions shall include official traffic control signals as defined in Section 445.

    (C) Not more than one traffic lane in each direction.
    (2) For purposes of this section "school zone" means that area approaching or passing a school building or the grounds thereof that is contiguous to a highway and on which is posted a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign, while children are going to or leaving the school either during school hours or during the noon recess period. "School zone" also includes the area approaching or passing any school grounds that are not separated from the highway by a fence, gate, or other physical barrier while the grounds are in use by children if that highway is posted with a standard "SCHOOL" warning sign.
    (c)
    (1) When all of the following criteria are met, paragraph (2) of this subdivision shall be applicable and subdivision (a) shall not be applicable:
    (A) When radar is used, the arresting officer has successfully completed a radar operator course of not less than 24 hours on the use of police traffic radar, and the course was approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

    (B) When laser or any other electronic device is used to measure the speed of moving objects, the arresting officer has successfully completed the training required in subparagraph (A) and an additional training course of not less than two hours approved and certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

    (C)
    (i) The prosecution proved that the arresting officer complied with subparagraphs (A) and (B) and that an engineering and traffic survey has been conducted in accordance with subparagraph (B) of paragraph (2). The prosecution proved that, prior to the officer issuing the notice to appear, the arresting officer established that the radar, laser, or other electronic device conformed to the requirements of subparagraph (D).

    (ii) The prosecution proved the speed of the accused was unsafe for the conditions present at the time of alleged violation unless the citation was for a violation of Section 22349, 22356, or 22406.
    (D) The radar, laser, or other electronic device used to measure the speed of the accused meets or exceeds the minimal operational standards of the National Traffic Highway Safety Administration, and has been calibrated within the three years prior to the date of the alleged violation by an independent certified laser or radar repair and testing or calibration facility.
    (2) A "speed trap" is either of the following:
    (A) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

    (B)
    (i) A particular section of a highway or state highway with a prima facie speed limit that is provided by this code or by local ordinance under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section 22352, or established under Section 22354, 22357, 22358, or 22358.3, if that prima facie speed limit is not justified by an engineering and traffic survey conducted within one of the following time periods, prior to the date of the alleged violation, and enforcement of the speed limit involves the use of radar or any other electronic device that measures the speed of moving objects:
    (I) Except as specified in subclause (II), seven years.

    (II) If an engineering and traffic survey was conducted more than seven years prior to the date of the alleged violation, and a registered engineer evaluates the section of the highway and determines that no significant changes in roadway or traffic conditions have occurred, including, but not limited to, changes in adjoining property or land use, roadway width, or traffic volume, 10 years.
    (ii) This subparagraph does not apply to a local street, road, or school zone.

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    Default Re: How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    Quote Quoting robd003
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    My question involves a speeding ticket from the State of: California

    This is probably a question for Carl (cdwjava) or one of the other LEOs on this board....
    As if you deserve any of their help after shooting your mouth off:
    Quote Quoting robd003
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    Honestly it's usually pretty easy to wipe the floor with cops in court if you're prepared. Believe me, none of the guys you'll be going up against have a Harvard Law degree... (Memorize the phrase, "Objection your honor" and use it whenever you want the dog to stop yapping)

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    Default Re: How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    Quote Quoting That Guy
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    As if you deserve any of their help after shooting your mouth off:
    Can't take a joke?

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    Quote Quoting robd003
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    Can't take a joke?
    A joke is funny... Stupid remarks, on the other hand, are just that... Stupid!

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    Default Re: How Long Does California LIDAR Certification Last

    Quote Quoting That Guy
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    A joke is funny... Stupid remarks, on the other hand, are just that... Stupid!
    I found it midly amusing. Bow-wow.

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