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    Default Re: SSA Demanding Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, Etc - Unconstitutional

    I searched and searched and searched, I studied the SSA Agent Handbook, and "Your Rights and Responsibilities" on SSA.GOV. Nothing says they are entitled to this information. I also reviewed 20CFR and this was the closest thing I could find:

    404.452 - Reports to Social Security Administration of earnings; wages; net earnings from self - employment.

    (a) Reporting requirements and conditions under which a report of earnings, that is, wages and/or net earnings from self-employment, is required. (1) If you have not reached full retirement age (see 404.409(a)) and you are entitled to a monthly benefit, other than only a disability insurance benefit, you are required to report to us the total amount of your earnings (as defined in 404.429) for each taxable year.

    Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/404-452-earn...#ixzz1601ZTxEg

    That's all they are entitled to, correct? It's settled.

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    Default Re: SSA Demanding Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, Etc - Unconstitutional

    Information on how the SSA handles N20 suspensions can be found here.

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    Default Re: Does the SSA Have the Right to See My Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, etc.

    So does this mean I Have to furnish the documents to them or not?

    I don't have a problem doing it if its LEGAL.

    If it's just another thing like a cop walking up to you and saying "Hey, can I tear your car apart, you don't have anything to hide do you?" I'm going to reject it.

    https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0413015001

    "Failure to Comply" would that be it? To what extent/scope of data are they allowed though ?

    Code:
    D. Procedure for providing an initial written request
    
    1. When to provide an initial written request
    
    Provide an initial written request each time you request new information, evidence or an action that has not been requested before. Give 30 calendar days after the date of the request to comply.
    EXAMPLE 1: You send an initial written request dated April 1 asking the recipient to call in for a redetermination. You complete the redetermination by telephone on April 24 and need evidence of wages. You send an initial written request to the recipient dated April 24 giving her through May 24 to provide the evidence.
    EXAMPLE 2: You send an initial written request dated April 1 asking the payee to come in for a redetermination and bring evidence of wages. On April 24, the payee comes in and provides the evidence. He reports that the recipient also has income from self-employment. You hand the payee an initial written request dated April 24 which gives the payee through May 24 to provide evidence of the self-employment income.
    2. How to provide an initial written request
    
    
    ...
    Umm so what I understand is there are a series of LEGAL SSA FORMS that are labeled, that they are require to send:

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    Provide an initial written request following these steps:
    STEP
    ACTION
    1
    Complete only one of these forms (in English or Spanish). No other forms are approved for this use.
    SSA-L3074-U2 (Supplemental Security Income Notice of Appointment), SI 02305.019
    SSA-L3075-U2 (Supplemental Security Income Notice of Appointment (1619(b)), SI 02305.019
    SSA-L8202-F4-INST (Important Facts about Your Supplemental Security Income), SI 02305.020
    SSA-L8003-U2 (Supplemental Security Income Request for Information), SI 02306.020
    SSA-L8004-U2 (Supplemental Security Income Request for Information-- 1619(b)), SI 02306.020
    2
    Address the request to the recipient or, if there is a payee, address it to the payee only.
    3
    Date the request the same day you mail it (or hand it to the person).
    4
    Fill in the due date (month/day/year) which gives the person 30 calendar days after the date of the request to comply.
    NOTE: The SSA-L8202-F4-INST contains preprinted language about the 30-day period.
    5
    Retain a copy of the written request in the paper file or the NDRed (Non disability Repository For Evidentiary Documents).
    NOTE: It is not necessary to fax a copy of the request to the NDRed if the StaRZ & StriPEs – The Next Generation (SSTNG) or the Document Processing System (DPS) produces the request. The Online Retrieval System (ORS) stores the request.
    That means this is some bullshit letter trying to get me to reveal information to the government that I'm not required to give, in more detail than im required to give it (if at all). As you can CLEARLY see this form has NO label on it, thus is not to protocol. Unconstitutional.

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    Default Re: Does the SSA Have the Right to See My Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, etc.

    No, it means that if you want to continue to receive means-tested benefits you accept that the government may periodically verify that you remain qualified for that benefit. It means that there is a process the SSA follows in requesting documentation verifying your qualification and what it will do if you refuse prior to cutting off your benefits.

    You have every right to say "No way, I'm not documenting my financial means to you" throughout this process, knowing that will ultimately cause you to lose your benefits. The SSA won't make you do anything.

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    Default Re: Does the SSA Have the Right to See My Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, etc.

    I want to make sure they are requesting the legal scope of information they are allowed to collect and use for payment determinations. Goverment is notorious for doing unconstitutional things to make it easy to get information they would normally not have a right to
    But are they within the scope of the information they are allowed to collect?
    I already agreed and rescheduled the appointment, and will cooperate. I just stand up for my rights whenever possible. When I first signed up for SSI they asked for bank balance , not statements. Isn't that protected?

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    Default Re: Does the SSA Have the Right to See My Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, etc.

    What's the big deal?

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    Default Re: Does the SSA Have the Right to See My Rent Receipts, Bank Statements, etc.

    Agree with Patty. If they need the info to verify that you still qualify for benefits, why
    not just furnish it?

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