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  1. #1
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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    All I asked was for another cubical transfer. Cubicals were all free on the same floor. Why did they have to assign a cubical for me between TWO toilets? Would you work an 8 hour work day next to two toilets where there's traffic all the time men and women come and go this was a large work place 200+ people on floor. I think you would not like it.

    If you were to ask your manager "hey, can I switch my cubical?" and got no reply, would you continue sitting in cubical with broken lights between 2 toilets and tolerate it or would you go to higher management for the help?

    If as you say I gave him an ultimatum, why then he'd send me a check AFTER I signed my resignation letter? People don't hand out money out freely out of nothing. Either it's "take the money and shut up" or "I feel guilty for what I've done here's some money for you"?

    So if a manager ignores your request, you suggest to keep tolerating whatever it is you have and not go for help to higher managment. Basically you are saying, eat crap and be quiet about it.

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    Why did they have to assign a cubical for me between TWO toilets?
    Sounds like your manager didn't like you. But neither the company nor your manager owes you an explanation, legally. It's even possible that your manager did it on purpose to make you unhappy, hoping you'd leave. Perfectly legal.


    If you were to ask your manager "hey, can I switch my cubical?" and got no reply, would you continue sitting in cubical with broken lights between 2 toilets and tolerate it or would you go to higher management for the help?
    Having already been reamed by this manager for going over their head? It would depend on how bad I needed my job. For me personally, I'd bite my tongue and start looking elsewhere or try to get transferred to another area of the company (because no matter HOW happy OTHER departments were with you, your manager is apparantly the one with authority to terminate you). As noted by other posters, when your supervisor has already told you that action A pisses them off, choosing to take that SAME action later is asking for the snake to bite you.

    It isn't about what anyone else would like or wouldn't like. Circumventing your chain of command can result in unpleasant consequences, up to and including termination. Some managers REALLY dislike that - just as yours told you. Unless there is a contract or CBA that says otherwise, then yes, an employer can terminate you for ANY reason that isn't protected under law (race, color, etc.). This is a case of choosing your battles wisely - you wanted to battle, and your manager, didn't.

    Unless your final pay check was a personal check from the manager, then the cutting of that final corporate check means that the company chain of command supported the termination. Final paychecks usually include amounts for things like sick or vacation time not used, possibly severance according to company policy, etc. - it's HIGHLY unlikely that the manager who terminated you had the will or even the ABILITY to just "gift" you funds in a final check. Check your final pay report carefully - it should outline exactly how the figure was determined.

    So if a manager ignores your request, you suggest to keep tolerating whatever it is you have and not go for help to higher managment. Basically you are saying, eat crap and be quiet about it.
    No one is suggesting one way or the other, only pointing out that LEGALLY, the employer can terminate you for ANY reason not otherwise protected by law. Some companies and their managers are really open to hearing and working on employee grievances. Others are not. Your company apparantly was not, and your particular manager, appointed by the company as your supervisor, made this pretty clear. MORAL realities are one thing....but the LEGAL reality is that yes, sometimes if you want to keep a job, you eat crap, or they'll find someone who will.

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that no one promised you that there would not be consequences when you ignore your boss's instructions, and that such consequences are legal.

    You have, I trust, applied for unemployment?

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    No, you dont have to write a termination letter. You let him bully you into doing it .. if you felt like you were going to be injured physically if you did not then you need to file a police report ASAP for assault.

    Now, you dont state what state you are in but in most states, if you quit, you get zero for unemployment. (thats why they ask for termination letters..ie you quit, we did not fire you)

    On the positive side, if you did quit it would look better to your next potential employers as opposed to being fired (unless your firing had nothing to do with your performance-loss of business, out of business, etc.).

    You can threaten to quit & say that these work conditions are too bad to work under but these are not statements of quitting - just complaints & threats of quitting.

    If he said your fired, write a letter of termination, then its up to the unemployment commission to determine if you were fired or quit (a police report would help in this assessment).

    If you think it was because you are an immigrant, then you can file an EEOC complaint. From the facts stated, it doesnt look like it but you are not a mind reader so you dont know why you were really fired. A civil suit is an option .. you may file an EEOC complaint & wait for a result of their investigation before filing a civil complaint. Some attorneys will talk to you for nothing too, so you should seek one out to talk to (I am not an attny).

    I have been asked to write termination letters & I refuse every time .. they yell etc but I just walk out the door.

    Forget people who say you need to talk to your boss all the time about working conditions - you can speak to HR too .. its only a job not a life & death situation.

    Get a new job with nicer people and enjoy life. Forget about these dopes. I have worked for people who seemed nice & ended up being complete jerks - I walked out of several jobs because of that; life is too short to deal with jerks 8 hrs of every day.

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    Nope, I was stupid enough I never applied for an unemployment because right after termination I had my own business. The business was more of a joke, I could barely make $6,000 a year! But even with such income I don't think I would've qualified for an unemployment.

    It's sad that managers have full power and pretty much do whatever they want. I was and still not the type of person who lets others walk over me and I don't eat crap. Of course I ended up empty handed losing good salary job.

    Is it also legal if a manager wrote a bad recomendation later for me in company's data base so I won't get hired by that company even if I'd continue to apply for other positions?

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    In answer to your last question, yes, as long as what is said is the truth or the reference-giver's honestly held opinion.

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    So pretty much if one person in company does not like you, he can make your employment a living hell?

    The manager did some shady deals and I kinda found out about them. He'd outsource lots of work to one crappy company (ex-employees) and they would get paid for that work thousands of dollars. The manager would write them a check. He had an authority outsourcing work as needed and make a decision how much money from our department's budgets he'd pay them.

    The sad thing is, after that xxx outsource company would get paid thousands of company's $$$$$, I'd have to redo their entire work and work as salary employee. Since I knew too much I think he decided to get rid of me (actually I am positive) and he made me sign the letter.

    The check that I'd received after my termination did not state anything what for I was getting paid. I did not have any sick time nor vacation time. The check was signed by my manager but it was our company's check.

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    So pretty much if one person in company does not like you, he can make your employment a living hell?
    Yup. And your options are suck it up, or seek employment elsewhere.

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    Default Re: Employer Made Me Write a Resignation Letter

    If the statements your manager made, so the co. wont hire you back, are false (and you can prove that they are false statements) then you may have a claim.

    For both slander/libel causes of action you have to answer 1 question: is the statement a statement that would be considered so outlandish (ie you committed a felony) that you were harmed by the statement itself. You have a claim then w/o the need to prove the statement actually caused harm - the statement itself is considered harmful in itself.

    If the answer is no then a false statement must be shown to have caused you harm (ie you apply for a job at the co. and was turned down); if so, then you also have a claim. If not, you have no claim.

    I would write a rebuttal for your personnel file in any event.

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