Thank you guys...The mother (my daughter) tried to take the kids to Portland without the fathers consent. I stopped her by taking the kids to him. She tried to get him to agree to a "parenting plan" telling him it would protect him. He was going to do it thinking it was the same as a court order custody agreement. I explained that it was not. This is going to be very messy and hard. I am helping my son inlaw to protect my grands. Sad to say but she is not fit to have her kids atm...Yes this is about kidnapping. We (son in law and I) are going to have many questions on different things do I need to start a different thread for each issue?

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One question is I know (or think) until a custody order is in place if I have the kids she can come take them from me. Is there a way to get this overrided till he gets to court? He needs my help. Has no one else to leave the kids with..