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    Default Re: Cited for Turning Left when Right Turn Only Sign Posted - Obstructed Sign

    Found it. Note the "No Parking for Mt. Sac Students" sign and the plant.

    http://goo.gl/maps/ncSt

    The first thing I noticed was how far back the limit line is for the stop sign. You did stop at the limit line, correct?

    I do think they could have added a "no left turn" sign on the post on the island that contains the stay right graphic for SE bound, no U turn for NE bound, and "one way" for traffic coming out of the residential area opposite of the strip mall.

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    Found it. Note the "No Parking for Mt. Sac Students" sign .
    Yeah, I saw that and actually looked at the same lot exit but couldn't tell for sure if that was "THE" sign in question... (even from inside the lot, the sign was impossible to see with the glare)...

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    I do think they could have added a "no left turn" sign on the post on the island that contains the stay right graphic for SE bound, no U turn for NE bound, and "one way" for traffic coming out of the residential area opposite of the strip mall.
    Actually, for (1), it is more than just a "No Left Turn"... Think about it, a "Right Turn Only" sign prohibits a straight through movement as well. So the only movement that is allowed is a right turn and a "Right Turn Only" on that pole which you described may have been an option. But, according to the 2012 CA-MUTCD:

    [QUOTE-=line 13k on page 154]Turn Prohibition signs should be placed where they will be most easily seen by drivers intending to turn.[/QUOTE]

    In this case, you're on a decent length approach and you'll likely to be looking forward as you approach the limit line. If you're going to see a sign across 3 lanes on the center island, the likelihood is that you WILL see the sign in its current location. Then you're expected to stop at the limit line (as you suggested), start rolling forward to clear traffic and as you do, you're most likely to look left first, then look right and then maybe left again as you enter the roadway, -you still haven't looked "forward" again since before the stop-. So that might seem like it is an ideal location, but... is it really?

    Of course the CVC only requires "ONE" sign and that requirement has been met!

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    Actually, for (1), it is more than just a "No Left Turn"... Think about it, a "Right Turn Only" sign prohibits a straight through movement as well. So the only movement that is allowed is a right turn and a "Right Turn Only" on that pole which you described may have been an option. But, according to the 2012 CA-MUTCD:
    I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there, and you're going to be looking in that general direction as you're waiting for a spot in traffic. It's kinda of a last warning. Of course missing "No right turn [on red]" signs is something I'm familiar with.

    In this case, you're on a decent length approach and you'll likely to be looking forward as you approach the limit line. If you're going to see a sign across 3 lanes on the center island, the likelihood is that you WILL see the sign in its current location. Then you're expected to stop at the limit line (as you suggested), start rolling forward to clear traffic and as you do, you're most likely to look left first, then look right and then maybe left again as you enter the roadway, -you still haven't looked "forward" again since before the stop-. So that might seem like it is an ideal location, but... is it really?

    Of course the CVC only requires "ONE" sign and that requirement has been met!
    Only 1 is required, but they aren't limited to 1 sign.

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    I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there...
    I don't know if that is "the shaft"... I am sure there is a shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!

    In reference to the pole holding the sign, I think the proper term is "breakaway post"

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    ...and you're going to be looking in that general direction as you're waiting for a spot in traffic.
    I'd still imagine one would be looking in the direction of traffic where one is looking for the opening, rather than looking straight forward... You might glance forward to make sure no traffic is coming from the side street across. But if you haven't seen the sign by then, you're not likely to see it, IMO!

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    Of course missing "No right turn [on red]" signs is something I'm familiar with.
    Correct... In the plural too... Not just one... But... several?

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    Only 1 is required, but they aren't limited to 1 sign.
    True... The sky is the limit... well, and city budget as well!

    Did you notice in your thread, from the docs that groove provided, what the cost of installing one sign was?

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    I didn't even think about going straight out. The reason I thought about the island is because the shaft is already there....
    I don't know if that is "the shaft"... I am sure there is a shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!
    They say this cat Shaft is a bad mother
    Shut your mouth
    But I'm talkin' 'bout Shaft
    Then we can dig it

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    I don't know if that is "the shaft"... I am sure there is a shaft involved some times... I'm not seeing this one as being one of them!

    In reference to the pole holding the sign, I think the proper term is "breakaway post"
    I guess that works too.



    Correct... In the plural too... Not just one... But... several?
    Thankfully it's a per turn offense and not a per sign offense.


    True... The sky is the limit... well, and city budget as well!

    Did you notice in your thread, from the docs that groove provided, what the cost of installing one sign was?
    To be honest, no. Of course I imagine that the cost of the sign itself isn't that much, it's the paperwork and engineering study required to place the sign. Of course with that one they had to place a new breakaway post, while this one is preexisting.

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