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  1. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Case dismissed.

    Hired a well known and respected attorney. He presented the reasons that the sign was improperly placed to the prosecutor. The prosecutor could have requested a continuance from...
  2. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    I don't trust him. In fact later on after having some time to reflect I realized he has no idea about the argument I was intending to make. He just looks at it as we have you dead to rights on video....
  3. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Spoke with the prosecutor regarding my case and he scowled at the idea that the sign was non-conforming. He told me that the judge would watch the video and basically ignore the statute to enter a...
  4. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Only if I win! FYI, my attorney instructed me to discuss with prosecutor beforehand to let him know I'm not interested in setting precedent for the non conforming sign. Would never see a judge if the...
  5. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    This has been a very instructive process.

    I'd like to thank flyingron, RJR, zeljo, cdwjava, and acai for their patient discussion and helping contribute to a better understanding of the issues.
    ...
  6. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    The issue here is that there is a statute which establishes obligatory standards via an external source and that external source then establishes standards that are less than obligatory. This is not...
  7. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Agreed and thanks for making that point. Now for purposes of statutory construction. Here is a recap of the verbiage starting with the controlling statute:

    "No provision of this Act for which...
  8. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Winning cases, please.
  9. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    The MUTCD states:

    Figure 2B-4 Movement Prohibition and Lane Control Signs and Plaques

    If No Left Turn (R3-2) signs (see Figure 2B-4) are used, at least one should be placed over the roadway, at...
  10. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    I'm not quite sure why some people think that the statutory standards don't prevail.

    Anyone else have any other thoughts based on the picture demonstrating that the official device is not in the...
  11. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    I'm not going to post the exact intersection but it is similar to this one where the sign is on the right instead of being on the far left hand corner.

    https://24h.rip/SkbmmS7
  12. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    You logically deduced it. Thank you.



    This may be the crux of it. That the case turns in part on the law but also greatly on less technical aspects that are much more subjective such as the...
  13. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    I do appreciate your perspective and insight regarding the details. So that I understand your statement correctly can you clarify the following:

    "it doesn't even say that "properly placed" is...
  14. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: Re: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Been charged with failure to obey an official traffic control device.

    The controlling statute states:

    "No provision of this Act for which official traffic-control devices are required shall...
  15. Lights, Signs and Traffic Controls: No Left Turn Sign Does Not Appear to Comply with MUTCD

    Fact 1: One individual No Left Turn sign is mounted on the right side of the road at a T intersection within a residential area.

    MUTCD reads:

    Figure 2B-4 Movement Prohibition and Lane Control...
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