Concealing Items With Intent to Shoplift

I love this thread.

A few questions for you!!!!!

#1 Were you passed all open and operating cash registers with the exception of guest services.

#2 How close were you to the "Security towers"

#3 Your original intention was to ____________ the items? (Fill in the blank)

#4 You are retaining a lawyer to help you get the evidence you need to help forumulate a proper defense in this case? (Yes or No)

#5 Have you stolen items before and gotten away with it? (yes or no)

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Quoting RepentingCitizen

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I should have stuck with this story in the first place, but I was foolish. Do you know if they can use what I said outside of court as evidence against me? Or is this considered hearsay? Will they even want to use it?

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It is a story in the first place...not the truth. In court, the best thing to do is tell the truth and own your actions. And yes they can use what you said outside court against you and it is not hearsay unless someone says that they heard someone else say that you said....

Get it?

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Quoting RepentingCitizen

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Worst case scenario, assuming I am convicted, do you have any clarity or insight as to how long it would take to have my misdemeanor sealed and or expunged? (I am in Massachusetts) Would this length be lessened if I pleaded guilty in the first place?

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You can't have it expunged. You can get it sealed after a 10-15 year waiting period. That's hardly satisfactory if you're actually innocent but may be the best you can get if you're guilty. Pleading guilty at arraignment cannot possibly help you, and in any case, a conviction is a conviction regardless of whether you were convicted by a jury or pled guilty.

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To be truthful I am on the fence about pleading guilty or not, I know now what I did was illegal, but it was illegal on the pretenses I intended to steal. And I can say without a shadow of doubt or second-guessing myself I did not intend to steal any of the items on my person.

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Get off the fence: Don't. Pleading guilty at arraignment cannot help you. You need to talk with a lawyer first; you might want to plead guilty to a lesser offense under a plea bargain but you'll need to plead not guilty at first and get a lawyer to even negotiate one.

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I should have stuck with this story in the first place, but I was foolish. Do you know if they can use what I said outside of court as evidence against me? Or is this considered hearsay? Will they even want to use it? What length will be gone in order to prosecute me assuming I am willing to pay the civil fine. I am asking primarily from people with experience as opposed to mere conjecture.

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What you say outside of court can be used in court, yes. In practice, I doubt any judge would allow your postings here to be admitted even if it was possible to link them to you, though. There's too much lying on the internet; anonymous posts are automatically suspect, so an anonymous internet confession would probably not be admitted as an actual honest confession in a court.

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I learned my lesson here, I will never conceal any items on my person when shopping in the future. Nor will I remove any tags regardless of circumstances. Do you think this will hold up? In the end essentially I am willing to do whatever is necessary to have my record clean as soon as possible.

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Well... if you actually committed a crime, saying "I won't do it again" won't get you off, no.

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Quoting Dogmatique

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This is really the crux of the matter:



You have committed a crime. You have no reasonable defense. By all means plead not guilty, and try to fight what will essentially be a pointless battle.

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So...now you're claiming you didn't intend to steal?

Look at the your original posts. You had every intention - you just lost the nerve.

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Quoting bam!

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I love this thread.

A few questions for you!!!!!

#1 Were you passed all open and operating cash registers with the exception of guest services.

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Yes I was, I was near guest services, The ATM was in between Guest services and the Registers, and the exists were to the left and right of guest services (Guest services is located in a corner of the store).

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Quoting bam!

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#2 How close were you to the "Security towers"

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You're going to have to be more specific, I'm not familiar with security towers

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Quoting bam!

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#3 Your original intention was to ____________ the items? (Fill in the blank)

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Purchase the items.

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Quoting bam!

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#4 You are retaining a lawyer to help you get the evidence you need to help
forumulate a proper defense in this case? (Yes or No)

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Yes I am planning to retain a public defense lawyer and assuming he is not satisfactory I have the means to pay for a private criminal defense lawyer.

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Quoting bam!

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#5 Have you stolen items before and gotten away with it? (yes or no)

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Absolutely not, I will reiterate I am not a thief. The only reason I have not deleted previous posts saying I even considered theft, is because I want to set the record as straight as possible.

I did unfortunately sign documents at target stating I had concealed various items. I can't for the life of me remember if they specifically mentioned theft. But listen, I just wanted to pay for the goods and get out of there, I honestly never imagined I was going to be arrested, even when the police were involved I assumed it was a formality. By the time they explained I was in danger of being convicted of a misdemeanor and possible felony, all I wanted to do was co-operate and expedite the process. I didn't want to argue because I didn't want to upset the officers or employee or spend any more time than necessary in the store holding pen or a jail cell.

If memory serves me right, you only have 15 minutes to alter or delete a post. Your comments are saved until the earth explodes.

Oh my God. You think the camera is going to prove your innnocence when you have stated this:

The tags I removed did not have security sensors

The ones I left on did

I left the tags on the Dvds, one Boxset and two films

I took the tags off underwear and socks

Um...Sir/Maam...

- Socks come in a few sizes. If you are an adult and don't know what size you wear....you need serious help.

- Trying on Underwear....same thing.

and you acknowledge taking tags off things without sensors, and leaving them on stuff with sensors....

Dude/Lady....take responsibility for your actions.....

@PandorasBox

I fail to grasp your point. I did not remove any tags that would go off assuming I attempted to leave the store . How does this work against me? If I was a thief wouldnt I have removed said tags?

The only tags I removed would not have gone off even if I had left them on through a sensor. Not to mention, the tags WERE IN MY BAG.

I do take full responsibility of damage to Target Merchandise for which I am willing to pay whatever the cost. I do not however accept the accusation of theft.

We don't know the full details of your plan. You have told us that, beyond your stated intent to steal, they're secret.

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Quoting RepentingCitizen

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The ATM was in between Guest services and the Registers, and the exists were to the left and right of guest services (Guest services is located in a corner of the store).

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For future reference (let's pretend that you didn't already know), you can use the ATM/Debit card to pay for purchases at Target registers (ANY/ALL Targets)... You can also get cash back. In fact, using your ATM/Debit card at a Target register, saves you the $2 (or whatever) fee that you would get charged at the ATM!

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Quoting RepentingCitizen

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@PandorasBox

I fail to grasp your point. I did not remove any tags that would go off assuming I attempted to leave the store . How does this work against me? If I was a thief wouldnt I have removed said tags?

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You have to realize that a judge, upon hearing your theory here, is going to either roll her/his eyes and/or simply laugh and convict you.

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The only tags I removed would not have gone off even if I had left them on through a sensor. Not to mention, the tags WERE IN MY BAG.

I do take full responsibility of damage to Target Merchandise for which I am willing to pay whatever the cost. I do not however accept the accusation of theft.

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What aren't you understanding here? Seriously? :confused:

You've already been provided with statute, with reason, with explanation.

The fact that YOU don't want to agree is really not the point.