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  • 04-08-2006, 08:28 AM
    cassidy44
    Teacher Falsely Accused of Inappropriate Conduct
    Three 5-6 grade girls in an after school-free time day, decided to flash one boy sitting in a cirlce with them, while I was sitting with my back to them helping another circle of students use sound equipment and sing on microphones. Other groups in the room were on the computor, others on the piano. It was very loud in the room. I only heard them laugh very loud and turned and asked them to keep it down and find something to do. (They had games etc. to choose from.)

    One girl saw what went on and didnt tell me. She told the office later, the three girls were interviewed and suspended for 3- 5 days. The next day I heard about it and was also interviewed where I learned what had actually happened (they pulled shirt up and showed thier bra) and I satisfactorily described the setting etc.

    Several days later they call other students to office to interview them and then call me again. Only this time there is a cop and a child abuse worker there doing the investigation. It turns out the girls confessed to the school that they had pulled up their shirt and shown their bra. But to the parents/cops, later revealed they had actually bared their breasts to the boy and one girl had turned around and mooned the boy sitting with them.

    Obviously the parents came down hard on at least one of the girls because one (and only one it appears) passed the blame on to me and said that I "had told them to do it". Now I am a so called perpurtrator (sp?) in an investigation. In a nut shell they took all my name, address, phone, and SS# , where I taught in the past, type info to investigate me. HERE'S my questions, should I be worried about this ( I think the students will confirm my story.)?

    Here's my big ? and concern: How invasive will this likely be? I have read recently that internet sites visited on my computor can be had by almost any one at the drop of a hat. Is it likely they will try to get and use porn sites on my surfing history and decide I am a bad guy after all so maybe there is something to the actuation? Does the above incident sound like something that would make them check my internet history OR is it normal now for them to always check it now that law is changed? ....... Bottom line, if you can tell me only one thing, is it automatic that they will dig into internet records? There's potentially some (could be damaging) stuff in my IP history although absolutely nothing actually downloaded on my computor, only surfing. Lucky for me my hard drive crashed and I had to replace it recently.

    cassidy 44
  • 04-08-2006, 09:30 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Are you speaking of a computer at work or at home?
  • 04-08-2006, 10:24 AM
    cassidy44
    I am talking about my home computor. It is an older computor. I am the third owner, and a total of 16 people have had access to it 12 of which have been at my home location and current IP address. I know for a fact 4 of those people have used it to view porn sites, myself included. One of those guys in particular was really into some wierd stuff. (These are people who have lived with me short terms, neighbors with no computor, etc.)

    I have never used my classroom computor for anything questionable, ever.
  • 04-08-2006, 11:05 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
    If you've only been looking at legal content depicting adults, you don't have much to worry about.
  • 04-08-2006, 11:23 AM
    cassidy44
    Thanks for your replys but I still dont know, do they or do they not have the right to get my home computor IP surfing history in this case? Is it something that they will likely look at?

    Unfortunately, I assume that some of the sites viewed may not be legal adults only stuff. That is I dont know if some of them are legal (what's the definition of that?) as far as the so called lolita model sites for example. They say they are legal but who knows. Obviously even I dont even know what all will turn up on the history with multiple users on the computor and which is all in my name as the account holder.

    Therefor, my original question, do they/will they automatically check or subpeona my surfing history on the home computor? I would really like to know what you think about that particular question.
  • 04-08-2006, 03:22 PM
    cdwjava
    The police are not going to go seeking a subpoeana for your computer if there is no reason to think that you have been viewing child porn on it. Unless this event alleged some relationship to computers, the chances are slim that they will look at the computers or that they could even get a search warrant for it.

    However, if you have mentioned to kids that you have seen naked pictures of kids on the internet then they might have grounds to search your PC.

    - Carl
  • 04-08-2006, 03:32 PM
    cassidy44
    Thanks Carl,

    The incident at school has absolutely nothing to do with computors, neither the school or home one.

    And no, I have never said or done anything questionable with or to any of the kids. That has never even entered my mind. These kids are (most of them) wonderful and I really like my job.

    This incident is just a "stand alone", "out of the blue" thing that happened with three girls, who by the way, two of which have been caught previously and repremanded for hanging out in the halls and in the stairwells with this same boy and another one.
  • 04-08-2006, 03:48 PM
    cassidy44
    By the way Carl,

    I'm not concerned about my actual computor getting looked at. That is clean as a whistle.

    I'm concerned about the third party records at Google, Comcast, Fox, etc. that since Feb. of this year must be turned over by a simple subpoena after Google lost that case in court.

    They don't need to come get your computor anymore. A simple requesting of your surfing history (without your knowledge) is all it takes now the way I read the write ups about that case.

    And since I dont even know what is in that history (multiple users of my computor) it concerns me.

    So maybe you could restate your opinion as to the third party records being a problem for me.
  • 04-08-2006, 04:11 PM
    cdwjava
    Local cops aren't going to waste their time with a subpoena to Google, Yahoo, etc. on a fishing expedition ... and they aren't likely to be issued without SOME reason to believe that the records will exist. I spent two years investigating juvenile crimes and I never went after computer records for a case such as this. Besides, it would be difficult to articulate (without any nexus) why girls allegedly lifting their shirts has anything to do with web browsing for pictures.

    - Carl
  • 04-08-2006, 04:31 PM
    cassidy44
    Thanks Carl, for your quick reply,

    I was told by someone (who has no expeirence) that the surfing history was easy to get and a "standard" request nowdays on any child abuse vs adult (alleged) abusor, type of case. They were saying that any thorough check of your SS#, birth day, name and address would "automatically" include your internet provider if you had one, and thus lead to a request for history.

    I hope they are wrong and your are right.

    Thanks again.
  • 04-08-2006, 04:42 PM
    cdwjava
    Being that I am a cop and the head of my agency's Investigations unit, I'd say that my guess is a little better than your friend's.

    And there is no such thing as a "standard" request. We can't just get all the info we'd like even without cause. Some of your friends watch a little too much TV.

    - Carl
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