The 'Inevitable Discovery' Warrant Exception

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Quoting Joshuadeuce1

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Ashman, for starter's 1 is not a lot of 'ifs'. Secondly, I think I stated pretty clearly in my original post that I was ignorant of the D.U.I. law's when I was pulled over. As a condition of the probation I received I had to submit to a urine test weekly for a year. 96 days after the last time I smoked I still tested positive for thc. Was I "impaired" for that entire time? Hardly.


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96 days? My BS meter was really ringing on that one. Most THC is out of the system in 7 days if you are a very lite or occasional smoker. 30 days after quitting if you were a heavy smoker. You are saying your THC stayed in your system for over 3 times what a normal body does? I know it can be traced in your hair follicle's but wow.

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Quoting nite_riderusa

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96 days? My BS meter was really ringing on that one. Most THC is out of the system in 7 days if you are a very lite or occasional smoker. 30 days after quitting if you were a heavy smoker. You are saying your THC stayed in your system for over 3 times what a normal body does? I know it can be traced in your hair follicle's but wow.

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Your BS meter will just have to ring. On my 14th weekly test I was still testing positive, my levels were decreasing every week though.

Back in 1986 I tested positive over sixty days after my last consumption of mj. Back then they didn't get an ng per ml, it was merely a clean or dirty test. Almost got violated.

The extrapolation rate of THC has a lot of variants, as it is stored in fatty tissue, fitness is one of them. Addonnis I am not. Saturation level is another, An extreme heavy smoker over a long time period I was.

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Quoting Joshuadeuce1

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Your BS meter will just have to ring. On my 14th weekly test I was still testing positive, my levels were decreasing every week though.

Back in 1986 I tested positive over sixty days after my last consumption of mj. Back then they didn't get an ng per ml, it was merely a clean or dirty test. Almost got violated.

The extrapolation rate of THC has a lot of variants, as it is stored in fatty tissue, fitness is one of them. Addonnis I am not. Saturation level is another, An extreme heavy smoker over a long time period I was.

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That still doesn't change the decay rate. You'd have to have something chemically wrong with your system for your system to require more than 3-6 times the duration of time to clean out the same amount of reagent. In other words, you're saying that you smoked so much for so long that you were constantly high weeks after you quit smoking; that's the decay rate we're talking about here.

Ash, I didn't say anything about being high for weeks on end after the last time I smoked. Why do I even bother posting when you seem to be able to speak for both of us?

Anyway, back on point, Again I will ask, Can anyone cite a case where the Governments "proof" of inevitable discovery was the testimony of the officer who committed the illegal search in the first place? Remember this is a stop and frisk.

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Quoting Joshuadeuce1

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Ash, I didn't say anything about being high for weeks on end after the last time I smoked. Why do I even bother posting when you seem to be able to speak for both of us?

Anyway, back on point, Again I will ask, Can anyone cite a case where the Governments "proof" of inevitable discovery was the testimony of the officer who committed the illegal search in the first place? Remember this is a stop and frisk.

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Nor did I say you said as much. However, the laws of physics and chemistry are simply and finite. If more than 3 months after having not taken the chemical in question, given its known period of decay, it were still present in such quantities in your body, it must be the case that something in your system is unable to breakdown the chemical like it does in most other people. Or, more simply put you'd have to have been high for days or weeks after your last dose.

Chemicals leave the body in very predictable ways; they all are broken down at a constant percentage rate of decay. The only way, given the rate implied by your argument, for this to occur is that your body changes its rate of removal. This isn't how chemistry works.

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Quoting ashman165

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Nor did I say you said as much. However, the laws of physics and chemistry are simply and finite. If more than 3 months after having not taken the chemical in question, given its known period of decay, it were still present in such quantities in your body, it must be the case that something in your system is unable to breakdown the chemical like it does in most other people. Or, more simply put you'd have to have been high for days or weeks after your last dose.

Chemicals leave the body in very predictable ways; they all are broken down at a constant percentage rate of decay. The only way, given the rate implied by your argument, for this to occur is that your body changes its rate of removal. This isn't how chemistry works.

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Appears like you used a lot of words to call me a liar. You are wrong. But since you are a chemist, please tell us the maximum amount of time THC can be detected in your urine.

Then I will take the fourteen consecutive piss test results (with a steadily decreasing ng per ml) to my physician and ask, HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN, ASHMAN SAYS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE?

Anyway, back on point, Again I will ask, Can anyone cite a case where the Governments "proof" of inevitable discovery was the testimony of the officer who committed the illegal search in the first place? Remember this is a stop and frisk.

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Quoting Joshuadeuce1

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Ash, I didn't say anything about being high for weeks on end after the last time I smoked.

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Quoting ashman165

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Nor did I say you said as much.

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Quoting ashman165

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In other words, you're saying that you smoked so much for so long that you were constantly high weeks after you quit smoking;

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Looks like you said, what you said you didn't say.

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Quoting Joshuadeuce1

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Looks like you said, what you said you didn't say.

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Right. I said essentially you're "saying" that. I suppose I should have said, as I did, that it's a necessary implication of your assertion. But I wasn't saying as a quote that you said as much; it's a figurative phrase.

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Quoting ashman165

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I suppose I should have said, as I did, that it's a necessary implication of your assertion.

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Ummm, no it's not. Again you are suggesting that THC metabolites in ones system makes them "High". It just doesn't work that way. The "euphoric" feeling caused by smoking mj is relatively short compared to the time it can be detected in your bodily fluids. Maybe you didn't learn this in school, I thought it was common knowledge.

Just do a google search on how long THC metabolites can be detected in your urine. Tell me if you find ninety days for a frequent user pretty common. Nothing wrong with my system, something wrong with your source of information.