So I was just wondering, for those of you who have been convicted for shoplifting, what kind of jobs do you all have? Is everyone who is a convicted shoplifter have a low paying, non-rewarding job?
What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
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08-14-2009, 03:14 PMneveragain86What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
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08-14-2009, 04:10 PMMouserRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I was convicted of shoplifting and i am a high school English teacher. I have a friend who was convicted of felony grand theft and is an editor. You can always get your misdemeanor conviction expunged and sealed. it's really not that big of a deal. I know a lawyer with a theft conviction.
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08-14-2009, 11:26 PMblueeagleRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionI can top that. I know a man with a felony DUI (no it not me!) who's an engineer.Quote:
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Although, I wont lie, it can be hard to find a job with a criminal conviction. Especially in this economy. -
08-15-2009, 06:37 AMPandorasBoxRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
This is a great topic! Thank you for starting it!
My situation is a bit different. I have a back injury and 20 lb lifting restriction, so that eliminates a lot of jobs that I used to do.
I wanted to do this before, so I am studying now: Move to Florida, become a Real Estate agent. The license application (including fingerprints, criminal record) have been mailed. It takes 6-8 weeks from receipt for approval. It's been 4 since I mailed it.
So we shall see.....
PS: One more thing:
In job searching, I've learned this: When filling out an application and there's that question, a good response is "Please see me in person". That gives you a chance to explain that you made an error in judgment, learned your lesson. -
08-15-2009, 11:24 AMvanprincess18Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
But PandorasBod you got a Municipal ordinance am I correct? Which means you don’t really have a criminal conviction/record, doesn’t it? (I’m asking because that’s what my lawyer is trying to get for me). What I understand is that a municipal ordinance is not the same thing as a criminal conviction which means the answer is no whenever people ask if you’ve been convicted of a crime and it won’t come up on criminal background checks, am I right?
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08-15-2009, 07:01 PMPandorasBoxRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I know mine was reduced to Disorderly Person. I think it is still a misdemeanor though.
Ok...I just looked at in MI, it is still a Misdemeanor. -
08-16-2009, 10:37 PMtc498Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionQuote:
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It depends,sometimes they can still see the arrest record.If your asked about convictions you can truthful answer no. It's possible to find a job with a theft conviction,it makes it hardier. A felony makes things hardier and some jobs won't even considered a felony. A misdemeanor is not the end of the world,the amount of time between the conviction,helps with some jobs.Quote:
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Some states don't offer expungment,if your convicted of a misdemeanor or felony it's there for life. In new york if you get the charged reduced to a violation or some time of diversion,then your stuck with a record. -
08-16-2009, 11:02 PMesq145Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
stuck with an arrest record... not a conviction record.... which helps
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08-17-2009, 03:03 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionNo, you most assuredly cannot "always" get your record expunged or sealed. Many states do not permit either, unless you were found innocent of the charges. Others do not permit such AT ALL.Quote:
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08-17-2009, 06:29 AMPandorasBoxRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I had looked it up and in Michigan, it takes 5 years before I can apply for Expungement.
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08-17-2009, 08:15 AMbarbsperryRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
There are two key phrases I would become very familiar with:
Hi, welcome to Mc Donald’s! Do you want your value meal super-sized?
Just my opinion! -
08-17-2009, 02:55 PMvanprincess18Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionQuote:
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Your life is ruined over one mistake? I doubt that. Theft on the record is bad, but I doubt it is the end of the world in all situations. If someone works hard, has talent etc. they can still make it far in life despite a mistake. No one is condemned to a life of working at a fast food restaurant, gas station etc. if they are willing to work hard for something better, especially not over a stupid mistake like shoplifting. Shoplifting is not good, but it’s hardly the worst thing a person can do, and it certainly does not and should not ruin people’s lives and chances of success forever. -
08-17-2009, 07:29 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionIt certainly can be, especially if you work in a profession where you will be around money. And in this economy? A shoplifting conviction is a great way to get your application for the nice job with decent wages placed in the "only if we're really, really desperate" file. It's a buyer's market, and they can be picky, picky, picky.Quote:
Your life is ruined over one mistake? I doubt that.
Many employers - particularly retail and banking, but also other sectors - require an employee to be bondable. That is, they're required to be insurable against the potential that they might steal from the company. Shoplifting conviction = not bondable.
It's not impossible to find decent employment with a criminal record, but it's exponentially harder. Look around the boards here, and you'll find a whole lot people who have paid their fines, made restitution, finished jail time and/or probation YEARS ago - have paid their debt to society! - and still get turned down for employment because of their criminal records.
It's a hard road once you run afoul of the law. -
08-17-2009, 09:51 PMtc498Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
With the internet and technogly today stuff still shows up even if it is expunged.There a post in the criminal record section how his charge is expunged but is still showing up. Like other said it's possabile but you have to try hardier and other ppl are ahead of you.
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08-18-2009, 12:55 AMMouserRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Convictionyou really just don't know what you're talking about. Sure, it varies state by state, but generally you can expunge easily (conviction showing up after expungement is a fluke) and often (in Ca for instance) convictions become unreportable by the reporting agency after five years. Do you just enjoyn scarring people. is that why you're on here? or is it just a small area in your life on here in which you can feel good about yourself? I wonder.Quote:
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08-18-2009, 10:56 AMvanprincess18Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionI saw Amen to that!Quote:
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08-18-2009, 12:47 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
Aw, Mouser, you're so cute, trying to convince people that it's OK, you can break the law and "just get it expunged".
It does not work that way, no matter how many times you claim it does.
Here, let me draw you a picture:
No Adult Expungement
Alaska
Maine
Wisconsin
Requires Non-Conviction/Reversal/Dismissal/Pardon
Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Georgia
Iowa (also allows expungement of public intoxication after 2 years)
Indiana
Missouri (Only in cases of mistaken arrest, AND you must have a spotless record.)
Montana
Nebraska (Mistaken arrest only.)
New York
Tennessee (Includes diversion, excludes pardons. Pardoned crimes may not be expunged.)
Texas
West Virginia (2 years after pardon AND 20 years after discharge of sentence upon which convicted. Also, first time drug offenders.)
Wyoming
Single Misdemeanor
North Carolina
Hawaii (Limited to non-violent drug offenses)
Kentucky
Minnesota (Limited to some first-trime drug offenses.)
North Dakota (Limited to first-time pot possession.)
Virgina (First offender only.)
Washington
Allows Expungement for certain crimes after completion of probation
California
Illinois
Kansas (Five year waiting period after completion of terms.)
Louisiana (Two to five year waiting period.)
Michigan (Five year waiting period.)
Mississippi
New Hampshire (Limited to loitering/prowling/non-violent offenses. Waiting periods vary.)
New Jersey (Limited to loitering/prowling/non-violent offenses. Waiting periods vary.)
New Mexico (Only if final disposition of case cannot be found.)
Oregon (Single crime only, three to ten year waiting period.)
Rhode Island (Non-violent first offenders only, five to ten year waiting period.)
South Carolina (Limited to certain first offenses.)
Vermont
Seal Only
Massachussetts (Immediate for acquittal/dismissal, ten to fifteen year waiting period for convictions.)
Nevada (Waiting periods vary.)
Ohio (One conviction only. Waiting periods vary.)
Utah
Pennsylvania will only expunge your conviction if you've been dead for three years, or have reached the age of 70 and have been clean for ten years following your final release, or if you've satisfied all the terms of your booze charge.
You do no one any favors by claiming expungement is easy. Deception is what got these folks into trouble to begin with. Delusion will only keep them there.
Say the shoplifters.Quote:
Quoting Mouser View Post
Do you just enjoyn scarring people. is that why you're on here? or is it just a small area in your life on here in which you can feel good about yourself? I wonder.
I saw Amen to that!
Damn skippy, I feel good about myself, because I don't have to cringe in terror that I'm not going to pass a background check. -
08-18-2009, 02:31 PMMouserRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionYou have too much time on your hands. There is no way that a misdemeanor conviction for theft will ruin your life or severly limit your long-term employment--as long as you don't apply for a bank teller job! ha ha. By the way, what do you do for a living other than sit in front of the computer and post on forums all day long where you can feel superior to someone esle? Do you actually do something for a living? Is this your 25th forum of the day for emotional slf-therapy?Quote:
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To all the people who seek advice: talk to a real attorney in addition to this forum. I am not an attorney; I am just using personal experience to help people if I am able to. -
08-18-2009, 02:59 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionAw, precious. You try so hard.Quote:
By the way, what do you do for a living other than sit in front of the computer and post on forums all day long where you can feel superior to someone esle?
I work for an attorney. And for Microsoft. Passed that MS background check with flying colors. My acquaintance with the 10 year old shoplifting charge got a polite "We don't hire people with criminal records. Thanks."
I can't help it that you don't like the laws. But the law doesn't mind, it's still going to keep chugging along, doing what it's supposed to be doing, and laughing at you for pretending you have the wherewithal to change it. -
08-25-2009, 11:30 PMkaramo81Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionMOUSER...Quote:
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Where are you a High School English teacher? Did you become a teacher after you were convicted of shoplifting? What exactly is a conviction...is it an arrest? I am also a teacher but currently not working due to other reasons. Can you tell me more about your situation? How did you land a job or were you already teaching? Have they just possibly not found out about it but would let you go if they did? Whatever information you can provide would be great!
I was able to go through a diversion course since I had never done anything before. I completed the diversion course and then the online court site shows that the case was dismissed. My attorney however, says it was still an arrest and a conviction, so I have to list Conviction but dismissed on applications. Do you know anything about this as well? -
02-01-2010, 07:15 PMMathematicaRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I would like to know the same thing, I just recently graduated and would love to teach but was wondering if my background would prevent me from doing so. It's been almost three years, and I've talked to a few lawyers that said that more than likely I would not be able to get an expungement. I've been without a job for almost a year and have been busting my butt trying to find one. I know I made a mistake but it was one I learned from and regret and have been paying the price for the past few years. I feel like I'm losing my mind because everything I've done and my whole college career was a waste of money and time if no employer is willing to look past my mistake and realize how smart and talented I am. I want to try and do something about my record but as a recent grad who hasn't worked in so long I don't have the money to pay a lawyer, especially if nothing comes of it and I end up in the same situation as I am now.
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02-02-2010, 07:16 AMPandorasBoxRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I was approved for a Real Estate License Application.
I had to go through a few extra hurdles. Obtaining a Certified Copy of Judgment, writing up an explanation of the charge and why I did it. Also I had to obtain Letters of Recommendation from former co-workers, a former employer, and people who have known me for quite a while.
My case was reviewed by the Real Estate Commission, it was determined I am very unlikely to re-offend.
Next: Finish studying, obtain license, and I still have to get an employer....
Getting a good job is not impossible....
You also have to think from an employers perspective:
- Is this person likely to steal again?
- Liability in case person does steal. (let's say - ABC Building hires Joe, who has shoplifted. Do they want Joe working on his own in a clients home?)
- How much would they lose if person stole? X Bank is not likely to want a thief handling thousands of dollars in cash per day (neither would their customers!). McD's may hire you, but not as Cashier.
Add in...the economy. X Company has 30 applicants for 2 positions. 29 candidates have no criminal history, 1 does...odds are not good... -
02-02-2010, 08:10 AMcbgRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
And in the current economy, if the employer has ONLY 30 applicants for two positions, they haven't advertised the job very well. 300 qualified applicants and about 600 unqualified ones for two positions is more like it.
And if 280 of them have clean records and 20 have convictions? Why on earth should they bother with the ones who have convictions? Putting them on the do-not-hire pile is easy; what's hard is figuring out how to reduce the pile of 280 of qualified applicants with clean records to something more managable. -
02-02-2010, 11:02 AMPandorasBoxRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
Yep...what we're seeing in Michigan is 2000+ applicants for Wal-Mart even....
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02-05-2010, 04:01 AMreformedteacherRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
I got a job as a daycare worker. I was lucky, my boss took mercy and pity on me, despite my criminal act (shoplifting). BUT, only after I had to answer TONS of embarrassing questions about the "whats and whys" of my shoplifting incident.
I "lucked up" to find this job after 13 months of rejections from other jobs due to my criminal record for shoplifting.
I'm not allowed to handle ANY money at work, and I'm never allowed to open or close the school...so I wont steal anything-take anything that doesn't belong to me home, my boss DISNT say that per-say, but I read between the lines my grandmother didn't raise a "Stupid woman" .
And I had to get a letter of recommendation by my Priest, certified copy of my court judgment along with submit to a psychological evaluation for my employer...AT MY OWN COST...$680 WORTH.
Trust me folks, its not worth it to steal.