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What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
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08-17-2009, 08:15 AMbarbsperryRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
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08-17-2009, 02:55 PMvanprincess18Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionQuote:
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Your life is ruined over one mistake? I doubt that. Theft on the record is bad, but I doubt it is the end of the world in all situations. If someone works hard, has talent etc. they can still make it far in life despite a mistake. No one is condemned to a life of working at a fast food restaurant, gas station etc. if they are willing to work hard for something better, especially not over a stupid mistake like shoplifting. Shoplifting is not good, but it’s hardly the worst thing a person can do, and it certainly does not and should not ruin people’s lives and chances of success forever. -
08-17-2009, 07:29 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionIt certainly can be, especially if you work in a profession where you will be around money. And in this economy? A shoplifting conviction is a great way to get your application for the nice job with decent wages placed in the "only if we're really, really desperate" file. It's a buyer's market, and they can be picky, picky, picky.Quote:
Your life is ruined over one mistake? I doubt that.
Many employers - particularly retail and banking, but also other sectors - require an employee to be bondable. That is, they're required to be insurable against the potential that they might steal from the company. Shoplifting conviction = not bondable.
It's not impossible to find decent employment with a criminal record, but it's exponentially harder. Look around the boards here, and you'll find a whole lot people who have paid their fines, made restitution, finished jail time and/or probation YEARS ago - have paid their debt to society! - and still get turned down for employment because of their criminal records.
It's a hard road once you run afoul of the law. -
08-17-2009, 09:51 PMtc498Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
With the internet and technogly today stuff still shows up even if it is expunged.There a post in the criminal record section how his charge is expunged but is still showing up. Like other said it's possabile but you have to try hardier and other ppl are ahead of you.
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08-18-2009, 12:55 AMMouserRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Convictionyou really just don't know what you're talking about. Sure, it varies state by state, but generally you can expunge easily (conviction showing up after expungement is a fluke) and often (in Ca for instance) convictions become unreportable by the reporting agency after five years. Do you just enjoyn scarring people. is that why you're on here? or is it just a small area in your life on here in which you can feel good about yourself? I wonder.Quote:
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08-18-2009, 10:56 AMvanprincess18Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionI saw Amen to that!Quote:
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08-18-2009, 12:47 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After Conviction
Aw, Mouser, you're so cute, trying to convince people that it's OK, you can break the law and "just get it expunged".
It does not work that way, no matter how many times you claim it does.
Here, let me draw you a picture:
No Adult Expungement
Alaska
Maine
Wisconsin
Requires Non-Conviction/Reversal/Dismissal/Pardon
Alabama
Arkansas
Arizona
Colorado
Connecticut
Florida
Georgia
Iowa (also allows expungement of public intoxication after 2 years)
Indiana
Missouri (Only in cases of mistaken arrest, AND you must have a spotless record.)
Montana
Nebraska (Mistaken arrest only.)
New York
Tennessee (Includes diversion, excludes pardons. Pardoned crimes may not be expunged.)
Texas
West Virginia (2 years after pardon AND 20 years after discharge of sentence upon which convicted. Also, first time drug offenders.)
Wyoming
Single Misdemeanor
North Carolina
Hawaii (Limited to non-violent drug offenses)
Kentucky
Minnesota (Limited to some first-trime drug offenses.)
North Dakota (Limited to first-time pot possession.)
Virgina (First offender only.)
Washington
Allows Expungement for certain crimes after completion of probation
California
Illinois
Kansas (Five year waiting period after completion of terms.)
Louisiana (Two to five year waiting period.)
Michigan (Five year waiting period.)
Mississippi
New Hampshire (Limited to loitering/prowling/non-violent offenses. Waiting periods vary.)
New Jersey (Limited to loitering/prowling/non-violent offenses. Waiting periods vary.)
New Mexico (Only if final disposition of case cannot be found.)
Oregon (Single crime only, three to ten year waiting period.)
Rhode Island (Non-violent first offenders only, five to ten year waiting period.)
South Carolina (Limited to certain first offenses.)
Vermont
Seal Only
Massachussetts (Immediate for acquittal/dismissal, ten to fifteen year waiting period for convictions.)
Nevada (Waiting periods vary.)
Ohio (One conviction only. Waiting periods vary.)
Utah
Pennsylvania will only expunge your conviction if you've been dead for three years, or have reached the age of 70 and have been clean for ten years following your final release, or if you've satisfied all the terms of your booze charge.
You do no one any favors by claiming expungement is easy. Deception is what got these folks into trouble to begin with. Delusion will only keep them there.
Say the shoplifters.Quote:
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Do you just enjoyn scarring people. is that why you're on here? or is it just a small area in your life on here in which you can feel good about yourself? I wonder.
I saw Amen to that!
Damn skippy, I feel good about myself, because I don't have to cringe in terror that I'm not going to pass a background check. -
08-18-2009, 02:31 PMMouserRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionYou have too much time on your hands. There is no way that a misdemeanor conviction for theft will ruin your life or severly limit your long-term employment--as long as you don't apply for a bank teller job! ha ha. By the way, what do you do for a living other than sit in front of the computer and post on forums all day long where you can feel superior to someone esle? Do you actually do something for a living? Is this your 25th forum of the day for emotional slf-therapy?Quote:
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To all the people who seek advice: talk to a real attorney in addition to this forum. I am not an attorney; I am just using personal experience to help people if I am able to. -
08-18-2009, 02:59 PMLawResearcherMissyRe: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionAw, precious. You try so hard.Quote:
By the way, what do you do for a living other than sit in front of the computer and post on forums all day long where you can feel superior to someone esle?
I work for an attorney. And for Microsoft. Passed that MS background check with flying colors. My acquaintance with the 10 year old shoplifting charge got a polite "We don't hire people with criminal records. Thanks."
I can't help it that you don't like the laws. But the law doesn't mind, it's still going to keep chugging along, doing what it's supposed to be doing, and laughing at you for pretending you have the wherewithal to change it. -
08-25-2009, 11:30 PMkaramo81Re: What Kind of Job Do You Have After ConvictionMOUSER...Quote:
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Where are you a High School English teacher? Did you become a teacher after you were convicted of shoplifting? What exactly is a conviction...is it an arrest? I am also a teacher but currently not working due to other reasons. Can you tell me more about your situation? How did you land a job or were you already teaching? Have they just possibly not found out about it but would let you go if they did? Whatever information you can provide would be great!
I was able to go through a diversion course since I had never done anything before. I completed the diversion course and then the online court site shows that the case was dismissed. My attorney however, says it was still an arrest and a conviction, so I have to list Conviction but dismissed on applications. Do you know anything about this as well?