What If New Laws Ban My Guns?

My question involves criminal law for the state of: Florida

So i'm wondering if Obama gets elected into office and passes an assault weapon ban which bans possession of weapons based on cosmetic appearance or an item I own before the law comes into effect, what are my legal obligations?

For example, I own a number of weapons that were previously banned based on the following features in 1994 but expired in 2004

a Galil 5.56 x 45
contains the following features that would be banned in 1994
Detachable magazine (35 rounds)
Bayonet Lug
Folding Stock
Pistol Grip
Removeable flash hider

a Czech VZ-58
Banned features
30 round magazine
pistol grip

Romanian AK47 clone (Civilian Guard)
Forward assist grip
30 round magazine
100 round chinese drum magazine
underfolder stock
pistol grip
bayonet lug

Now in the event these weapons were banned based on features, would I be obligated to turn them into the police or destroy them? Could I claim that the 2nd amendment gives me the right to have them if these weapons are banned in the future? If certain features were banned like in 1994 with no grandfather clause, does this mean I would have to toss my 30 round magazines and use 10 round magazines, ground off my bayonet lugs, remove the folding stocks and add a full stock and get rid of the pistol grip or would it be constitutional to ban possession of my weapons based on name or the gas system used?

Join the NRA. They will advise members of future laws in the works and lobby for the rights of gun owners. It's good to be a member and to be active (in a positive way) in your political community.

I doubt they'll be able to take it away. You paid money for those guns. Big money. I watched the news recently. They reported that gun enthusiasts were stocking up on assault rifles in their worry that Obama would ban them. I doubt they'd stock up if they'd just have to hand them over.

But regardless of whether they ban the ownership of them entirely or not, I wouldn't so willingly let go of three very very expensive guns.

I admire your first few words, but you characterize Obama as if he were some kind of demon, and he's not. I seriously doubt he's going to ban assault rifles. That's just a rumor the Republican party started to get all the gullible people to vote for somebody else. And even if he does actually reinstate the ban, so what? I'm pretty sure that laws let people hold onto guns that they purchased at a previous date before a ban on them, and even if such laws don't exist, I seriously doubt that people are going to give up their assault rifles, and I doubt the government is going to send their Feds in to go get them. It would be a waste of tax dollars, and somewhat of a suicide mission if you know what I mean.

For those of us who carry guns for work it would really be nice if the amount of guns on the streets where limited. Look how well it works in the UK:D

You have to understand that a shootout is never fun. I just hope I win ALL THE TIME:D

And Hansel, please dont ask us federal agents to do more work then we have right now. As it is I did not even sign on to this site for a month due to my heavy work load.

Maybe you want us to shove a broom up our butts, so we can sweep the floors as we walk as well.:mad:

The correct answer to your question is, we won't know what your legal obligations are until we see the wording of the hypothetical law which does not yet exist and may never exist.

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Quoting OhMy

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For those of us who carry guns for work it would really be nice if the amount of guns on the streets where limited. Look how well it works in the UK:D

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So you can more easily oppress the masses. How lovely would it be for out nation to fully become a police state! To hell with out-of-date principals such and liberty and freedom! :rolleyes:

"A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject."

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Quoting OhMy

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For those of us who carry guns for work it would really be nice if the amount of guns on the streets where limited. Look how well it works in the UK:D

You have to understand that a shootout is never fun. I just hope I win ALL THE TIME:D

And Hansel, please dont ask us federal agents to do more work then we have right now. As it is I did not even sign on to this site for a month due to my heavy work load.

Maybe you want us to shove a broom up our butts, so we can sweep the floors as we walk as well.:mad:

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What on earth are you talking about? Asking you to do more work? What? Don't put keys in my fingers.

From what I hear, the gun limitations in the UK aren't helping one bit.

Guns are a big part of American culture. You guys in the UK can't possibly understand how important our American Constitutional rights are to us. We don't simply bend over in front of any ol government official.

Heck, we had to defeat you guys in a war just to get our independence. And how did we win that war? We outlasted you. And why did we outlast you? Because we wanted our rights bad enough. I wouldn't expect you to understand how important rights are to us. If you're a natural-born Brit, you're a descendant of somebody who didn't want us to have our own rights.

Here's a little common sense for you: Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens only gives more power to criminals. You can't take an Uzi-toting gang all by yourself with a little 9mm semi-auto! You need an M16 to bring them all down, or an AK-74!

Oh wait, I think I know what you're getting at.
You're an American Federal agent, and you don't want to have a shootout with an AK-owner.
WELL THEN DON'T TALK like you live in the UK! Look what you made me type!

Anyway, if you're willing to oppress an American citizen, you DESERVE to be in a shootout. If you're a federal agent trying to take an American's rightful guns away, you're one of the BAD guys! The fact that you're a federal agent AT ALL makes you untrustworthy by default, until proven otherwise. If your boss asks you to go take a decent citizen's guns away, you DON'T obey those orders, you RESIGN! If you care about human rights, that's what you'll do.

Either that, or if you DON'T care about human rights, you suck it up, and risk getting shot. When you signed up for the feds, you agreed to those risks. It's your JOB. I don't pay taxes so you can lazily say "waaah I don't wanna go to the AK-owner's house! I'm scared!" If you're afraid of getting shot, don't take a job that requires you to oppress people! People don't like being oppressed, and people with guts will fire upon their oppressors!

Don't complain about your job. You should have known what you were getting into. If you don't want to work hard or get shot at, quit the feds. I'm not giving up my rights just so you can be lazy!

I'm proud of American Gun rights. When I come of age, I'm going to stockpile all the arms I can, and anyone who tries to take those away will be going home in a body bag! I'm VERY passionate about human rights, and those who threaten human rights, might as well be threatening me directly.

Theory of Duh:
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An ideal Federal Agent PROTECTS the Constitution! He doesn't OPPOSE it! You're supposed to be as crazy about the 2nd Amendment as I am!

Hansel, you have officially cured my insomnia!!!

Either my post is so interesting that you had to read it all and ran out of energy at the end, or my post is so boring it put you to sleep. I don't know if I should feel insulted or complimented.

Eh, I'll take it either way.

I was too hard on OhMy, I'll admit it. But the bottom lines are: Disarming innocent people doesn't protect innocent people. Getting into shootouts with bad people is a federal agent's JOB. Don't take away everybody's guns just because you don't want to do your job. Just quit.

And I hope my comments about the British people weren't taken to heart. For the record, I don't REALLY believe that Brits have some kind of genetic trait that makes them care very little about human rights. I was just mad, and blurted it out.

I love human rights, and the most important goal of the government should be keeping all the good people alive while still allowing them as many human rights as physically possible.

OhMy, I'm sorry I called you lazy and untrustworthy, but you really should be careful. I'm spending my tax dollars on people like you. How do you think it makes me feel when my tax dollars say "I don't want to work hard"? Things were said on both ends, but I'll admit my reaction was unorthodox to say the least. What can I say? I get mad easily.

All in all, don't ban assault rifles.

I agree.

Don't ban assault rifles.

I am all for putting a $200 per shell tax on ammo, however.

People do not need military weapons to go hunting turkeys.

Did Gretel run off? you seem to have too much time on your hands.

I am NOT saying they should ban guns, I am saying that they should be removed from people who have no business owning them. The mentally ill, convicted felons etc.

I have been in shoot outs before and I am sure I will be in them again, they are just never fun when the criminals have nothing to lose and usually try to kill us and or they want to end up dead anyway.

Here I am with my Glock at a shootout with drug crazed felon holding an UZI.

You try to deal with these people every day an you will have a differient outlook.

Just because I am paid with tax payer money does NOT mean I want to end up dead. 700 billion of tax payer dollars just went to bail out banks who didnt deserve it and GM for bad management.

Most would NOT want to do my job at any price, I think the tax payers are getting off cheap:p

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Quoting Hänsel

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Either my post is so interesting that you had to read it all and ran out of energy at the end, or my post is so boring it put you to sleep. I don't know if I should feel insulted or complimented.

Eh, I'll take it either way.

I was too hard on OhMy, I'll admit it. But the bottom lines are: Disarming innocent people doesn't protect innocent people. Getting into shootouts with bad people is a federal agent's JOB. Don't take away everybody's guns just because you don't want to do your job. Just quit.

And I hope my comments about the British people weren't taken to heart. For the record, I don't REALLY believe that Brits have some kind of genetic trait that makes them care very little about human rights. I was just mad, and blurted it out.

I love human rights, and the most important goal of the government should be keeping all the good people alive while still allowing them as many human rights as physically possible.

OhMy, I'm sorry I called you lazy and untrustworthy, but you really should be careful. I'm spending my tax dollars on people like you. How do you think it makes me feel when my tax dollars say "I don't want to work hard"? Things were said on both ends, but I'll admit my reaction was unorthodox to say the least. What can I say? I get mad easily.

All in all, don't ban assault rifles.

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This is very easy for you to say sitting behind a computer all day.

You come face to face with a AK 47 pointed at your head and will do one of the following

1) Piss yourself

2) Go crying back to momma

3) Not shoot fast enough.

You know I find this amazing. Here is a minor, probably NOT an American telling us how to run this country.

When you are old enough to vote and become a citizen maybe then you will understand how the real world works.

It sounds so grand from where you are now in the saftey of your surroundings, however, if you ever came face to face with the real world that I see every day you then would have a totally differient prospective.

I am far from lazy, the reason I am overworked is due to the amount of crime out there.

All the guns in the world will not protect you against some of the most dangerous people in the world. It is just a false sense of security.

Why am I even having this arguement with a minor?:wallbang:

OhMy has a few good points. However, banning automatic firearms will not stop thugs from acquiring them. Just like the war on drugs. People still gets dope from their neighborhood connect and they will find a way to acquire assault rifles. A ban on assault rifles will only put law-abiding citizens at a higher risk for rape, robbery, or murder.

Oh yeah, then you have young people who do things just because they are illegal. Did I start drinking at 17 because I liked the taste? Hell no! I hated the crap. I did it because I wanted to screw the system!!!

Hell, we need to make education illegal!!! Then all these dumbasses will want one! In 5 years we'll have the most intelligent people in the world.! Ok, only joking. :p

I think some of you may have overlooked hansel here ..

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I'm proud of American Gun rights. When I come of age, I'm going to stockpile all the arms I can, and anyone who tries to take those away will be going home in a body bag!

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After reading all of that (big zzzzzzzzz) your not even old enough to buy a damn gun! When you become of age, by all means move to Waco.

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Hell, we need to make education illegal!!! Then all these dumbasses will want one! In 5 years we'll have the most intelligent people in the world.! Ok, only joking.
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BE, this theory could work!

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Quoting gigirle

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I think some of you may have overlooked hansel here ..

After reading all of that (big zzzzzzzzz) your not even old enough to buy a damn gun! When you become of age, by all means move to Waco.

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Guys, this is the same nutjob that not only wants to prey on little girls but asked if he could be held criminally responsible for the actions of a demon he summoned.

On the other hand, a better argument for gun control I have not heard.

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Guys, this is the same nutjob that not only wants to prey on little girls but asked if he could be held criminally responsible for the actions of a demon he summoned.

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I'm ROFLMFAO! That made my night..thank you, thank you, thank you for making me spit my coffee all over my computer!

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Quoting gigirle

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I'm ROFLMFAO! That made my night..thank you, thank you, thank you for making me spit my coffee all over my computer!

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All part of the service.

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Quoting gigirle

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I think some of you may have overlooked hansel here ..

After reading all of that (big zzzzzzzzz) your not even old enough to buy a damn gun! When you become of age, by all means move to Waco.

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Great... only a few miles from me. :(

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Quoting cyjeff

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Guys, this is the same nutjob that not only wants to prey on little girls but asked if he could be held criminally responsible for the actions of a demon he summoned.

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Nutjob? Thats an insult!! Those people have enough problems! They don't want to be compared this this guy!!!

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On the other hand, a better argument for gun control I have not heard.

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He's also a great argument for being pro-birth control!! Opps, did I say that?

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Quoting blueeagle

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Nutjob? Thats an insult!! Those people have enough problems! They don't want to be compared this this guy!!!

He's also a great argument for being pro-birth control!! Opps, did I say that?

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Is it even possible to do a 75th trimester abortion?

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Quoting OhMy

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This is very easy for you to say sitting behind a computer all day.

You come face to face with a AK 47 pointed at your head and will do one of the following

1) Piss yourself

2) Go crying back to momma

3) Not shoot fast enough.

You know I find this amazing. Here is a minor, probably NOT an American telling us how to run this country.

When you are old enough to vote and become a citizen maybe then you will understand how the real world works.

It sounds so grand from where you are now in the saftey of your surroundings, however, if you ever came face to face with the real world that I see every day you then would have a totally differient prospective.

I am far from lazy, the reason I am overworked is due to the amount of crime out there.

All the guns in the world will not protect you against some of the most dangerous people in the world. It is just a false sense of security.

Why am I even having this arguement with a minor?:wallbang:

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Oh gimme a break! I'm an American citizen same as you, and I said I was sorry! Ease up. Like I said, if you don't wanna get shot at, quit your job!

If an AK-47 was pointed at my head, it probably wouldn't belong to a law-abiding citizen, it would belong to somebody who obtained it illegally. Banning assault rifles doesn't stop people who obtain them illegally.

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I can't debate! There's no rule forbidding minors from this forum, so expect people like me. Don't ever make assumptions about me just because I'm young.

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Quoting Hänsel

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Oh gimme a break! I'm an American citizen same as you, and I said I was sorry! Ease up. Like I said, if you don't wanna get shot at, quit your job!

If an AK-47 was pointed at my head, it probably wouldn't belong to a law-abiding citizen, it would belong to somebody who obtained it illegally. Banning assault rifles doesn't stop people who obtain them illegally.

Just because I'm young doesn't mean I can't debate! There's no rule forbidding minors from this forum, so expect people like me. Don't ever make assumptions about me just because I'm young.

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Quit my job becuase I do not want to get shot? You are off the wall. LOL

Listen, just because you are young that does not mean that you are normal.

You are in need of major mental help. I hope you get it this way you will NOT be able to pass the background checks to obtain a gun.

I have read your posts. For sure, major mental issues, I feel bad for your parents having to put up with someone like you.

As stated by others, your posts are the perfect reason we need gun control and to keep abortions LEGAL:D

Alright, I worded that wrong.
Nobody WANTS to get shot at, but if you don't EXPECT to get shot at, you should quit your job. Don't take away EVERYBODY'S assault rifles just because SOME people abuse them. That's not fair to the law-abiding citizens who follow procedures.

Hmmm , ok Binky all I have to say are two words;

Dick Cheney

A hunting we will go???? He thought he was shooting at a turkey (not sure it was a turkey) guess who got shot instead? oh yeah, his hunting partner:(

And he was so called sober.

Imagine a drug crazed criminal with an UZI pointed at you.

Again, you have to be there to go through it first hand to understand all aspects of this.

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Imagine a drug crazed criminal with an UZI pointed at you.

Again, you have to be there to go through it first hand to understand all aspects of this

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The part that I disagree with is the part where you say that you have to go thru it to understand it. I for one don't. I don't know how you do it...stay safe that is. There are so many needless guns out there and the gun spouting idiots out there who claim amendment rights are the idiots who I'm refering to. When the amendment was written, there was no specific mention of a UZI to debate on.

quoting blinky .357

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And when I enlistred in the Army 12 years ago part of my oath of enlisment was to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The minute that c***sucker obama starts any "executive order" bull**** banning firearms ownership he has become an enemy to the constitution; domestic variety. Same as the legislative branch, and the judicial branch. (*I'm not gonna hunt anyone down or go on any warpath, but if any doorkickers come kicking my door down I'm gonna give them a surprise.)

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Are you half the ignorant bigot, hillbilly, racist idiot that you come off as? Just curious...

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Quoting gigirle

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Are you half the ignorant bigot, hillbilly, racist idiot that you come off as? Just curious...

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No I'm not!! Oh, you're addressing Binky. I'm just so used to people asking me that question! HAHA!!!!!!!

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Quoting gigirle

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The part that I disagree with is the part where you say that you have to go thru it to understand it. I for one don't. I don't know how you do it...stay safe that is. There are so many needless guns out there and the gun spouting idiots out there who claim amendment rights are the idiots who I'm refering to. When the amendment was written, there was no specific mention of a UZI to debate on.

quoting blinky .357

Are you half the ignorant bigot, hillbilly, racist idiot that you come off as? Just curious...

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E X A C T L Y the laws need updating. What made sense a hundred or so years ago do not apply in todays world.

Sure I wear a bullet proof vest but that will not protect me from getting shot in the head.

I am glad someone finally sees all this from my point of view. U P D A T E the laws so they apply to todays situation:D

A well armed citizenry detours governments from falling into tyranny.

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Quoting blueeagle

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A well armed citizenry detours governments from falling into tyranny.

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Maybe in Texas this is how things are handled, but not in the real world, it isn't needed on any kind of regular basis.

Okay, just know that if thats the case, the government should be allowed to update their guns as well.

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E X A C T L Y the laws need updating. What made sense a hundred or so years ago do not apply in todays world.

Sure I wear a bullet proof vest but that will not protect me from getting shot in the head.

I am glad someone finally sees all this from my point of view. U P D A T E the laws so they apply to todays situation:D

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I agree. My point is, if your going to update the gun laws, update them to favor the goverment as well so that officers of the government aren't under protected.

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Quoting gigirle

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Maybe in Texas this is how things are handled, but not in the real world, it isn't needed on any kind of regular basis.

Okay, just know that if thats the case, the government should be allowed to update their guns as well.

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I'm only stating a historical fact.

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Quoting blueeagle

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I'm only stating a historical fact.

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The key term here is "historical fact" meaning history.

I'm not opposed at all to gun ownership. One of the gifts I got my girls this year was gun saftey classes. I want them to know how to use a gun, safely. But a hand gun or a shot gun and thats it. There is no need IMHO for any kind of assult rifle unless your in combat or trafficing drugs, niether of which I believe in.
Our society expects that the government keep drugs off the streets and to keep them safe. Then you have the gun happy enthuseists who use their amendment "rights" to protect their "rights" to bear arms in the name of turkey hunting. You can't have it both ways.

In the real world the criminals end up with most of the guns.

Now just how does that happen? could it be that people who obtain them legally sell them to the criminals for a huge profit?

Yes the country takes care in who purchases the guns but many are turned over to the criminals.

Again, laws need to be changed, I see no need for me to be outgunned in any situation. My Glock is like a pea shooter next to what the criminals have.

And it is not just me, look at the cops on the streets. Is it fair that their Glock or Sig has to go up against an AK 47?

The drug crazed felons are better protected then the cops. I find that amazing.

We need to reverse this and give the cops the UZI's and give the criminals the donuts:mad:

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Quoting Binky .357

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Quote one post where I mentioned race... just one.

It would seem to me that you will not find one. Not one at all.

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Oh, it was an inference that I made based on your comments about Obama. I made that inference based on those comments as well as your other comments. I highly doubt that I've been off in my inferences either.

Hmmmm, you know a person named Binky with a 357 just does not sound right anyway:p

Sort of like Bozo with a 9MM:rolleyes:

Or Milky the Twin Pines Clown with a rocket launcher. :cool:

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Quoting OhMy

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Hmmmm, you know a person named Binky with a 357 just does not sound right anyway:p

Sort of like Bozo with a 9MM:rolleyes:

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Kinda the point. If things are going ok, I could make you laugh. Most people I know think I'm fun to have around.

Most people that know me also know I have strong ideas when it comes to taking common sense measures to protect my friends and loved ones and pack a serious punch if they're threatened.

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Quoting cyjeff

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Guys, this is the same nutjob that not only wants to prey on little girls but asked if he could be held criminally responsible for the actions of a demon he summoned.

On the other hand, a better argument for gun control I have not heard.

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Who preys on little girls?