No, don't go blaming it on some fairy-tale entity. It was all you. You know right from wrong.Quote:
Quoting takaris
You know, most people who are bored at work play silly Flash games like Peggle or Bejeweled or somesuch, they don't go looking for kiddie porn. Flash games usually only get you yelled at by IT, unlike porn, which nearly always gets you fired.
That's all they need. I've never seen an employer's acceptable network usage policy that says "As long as the porn is only on the screen for 10 seconds or less, it's OK."Quote:
Quoting takaris
Depending on what they find in your browser cache, you betcha.Quote:
Quoting takaris
You can't plead "It was an accident", either. You typed intentional search terms.
Are Search Terms and Results Porn?
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10-05-2008, 06:04 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Is It Porn?
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10-05-2008, 07:00 AMcyjeffRe: Is It Porn?
Further, the fact that you were targeting children in your searches could and should factor into the decision making process.
Preteen....
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10-05-2008, 07:53 AMtakarisRe: Is It Porn?cyjeff, thanks for your personal opinion and not any type legal advice what so ever. What are you here for? I notice in a lot of your replies that you give people they are nothing more then snide remarks. If perhaps I was making this us just to test the veracity of this site for classroom study then you and the site failed miserably.Quote:
Quoting cyjeff
now...
Nothing in the cache other then what was presented in the statement above. If by chance it was something there they would have had it already and I would not be talking on these forums. There is nothing else there nor will there be. Though at least 20 people use that computer a day. I can only vouch for the day in question the investigators asked me about.
Yes, I will probably suffer what the rest of my co-workers did when they looked at porn, i will not argue that...time to look for a new job i suppose. Though the thing is ... I didn't see any "Porn" ... No gratuitous sex, no penetration, no oral ... not even a boob. There was no porn on the screen as you would commonly describe it. (you can believe that or not) If you consider people clothed, doing silly things on Youtube like showing their panties or swimming, or static pictures in lingerie... porn then so be it....I can't debate that.
There were women in bikinis, people shaking their clothed butts on Youtube, there were even videos of people on the beach clothed, there was pictures of the model grace park in undies from a magazine layout. There were teens (i could only guess) giggling and dancing on their Youtube videos perfectly clothed. (seems legal enough for Youtube)
What bothered them was the "idea" of the search and the click on the Russian clothed model site. There was no nudity, no sex at all, not even on the Russian model area which came from some google group area. They had clothes on and were not posing in any provocative manner nor were they in any type of sexual act. I did not see any sex or nudity what so ever. Yes, search was stupid and regrettable and I did it.
...I also searched for crime scene photos sites and a look at the portal of evil site (which started my quest for banned site on the server...both of which were banned.) on the same day. I know you think is disgusting and all that but what are the legal facts based on the information I gave?
Can the "Idea" of the search itself be criminal without the actual product? Are clothed individuals considered porn? Even in the situation when the Russian models showed up that are not in provocative leg up in the air poses? -
10-05-2008, 08:04 AMcyjeffRe: Is It Porn?Nope.Quote:
Quoting takaris
No normal person testing ANYTHING would have thought of suggesting your search topics.
I can live with the disgust given to my opinions by a pedophile. I really can.
First, then you picked a really stupid computer to use.... because anything on it goes on your tab.Quote:
Nothing in the cache other then what was presented in the statement above. If by chance it was something there they would have had it already and I would not be talking on these forums. There is nothing else there nor will there be. Though at least 20 people use that computer a day. I can only vouch for the day in question the investigators asked me about.
But let's be serious here... are you saying that if your search would have found something, you wouldn't have watched it?
So, the only difference between what you did and someone that looks at porn on a work computer and goes to prison for it is that they are better at searching than you are?
No, a workplace doesn't have to keep cutting you slack until you finally figure out how to get the naked pictures of children you are obviously looking for.
Apparently, you can...Quote:
Yes, I will probably suffer what the rest of my co-workers did when they looked at porn, i will not argue that...time to look for a new job i suppose. Though the thing is ... I didn't see any "Porn" ... No gratuitous sex, no penetration, no oral ... not even a boob. There was no porn on the screen as you would commonly describe it. (you can believe that or not) If you consider people clothed, doing silly things on Youtube like showing their panties or swimming, or static pictures in lingerie... porn then so be it....I can't debate that.
What part of "inappropriate" is getting past you?Quote:
There were women in bikinis, people shaking their clothed butts on Youtube, there were even videos of people on the beach clothed, there was pictures of the model grace park in undies from a magazine layout. There were teens (i could only guess) giggling and dancing on their Youtube videos perfectly clothed. (seems legal enough for Youtube)
And the only reason you didn't look at pictures of children was because you didn't find any.Quote:
What bothered them was the "idea" of the search and the click on the Russian clothed model site. There was no nudity, no sex at all, not even on the Russian model area which came from some google group area. They had clothes on and were not posing in any provocative manner nor were they in any type of sexual act. I did not see any sex or nudity what so ever. Yes, search was stupid and regrettable and I did it.
Again, the workplace doesn't have to wait until you get it right.
I have answered the legal question at least twice. We cannot predict the future.Quote:
...I also searched for crime scene photos sites and a look at the portal of evil site (which started my quest for banned site on the server...both of which were banned.) on the same day. I know you think is disgusting and all that but what are the legal facts based on the information I gave?
Do you ever actually WORK?
Perhaps.Quote:
Can the "Idea" of the search itself be criminal without the actual product? Are clothed individuals considered porn? Even in the situation when the Russian models showed up that are not in provocative leg up in the air poses?
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10-06-2008, 10:32 PMcriminalTruthRe: Is It Porn?
It doesn't matter what he was looking for.
Honestly, If i wanna look at pre-teen girls in a bikini. It's perfectly legal.
12 yr olds having sex Illegal. 12 Yr olds in a bikini. Legal
There are many such sites that are operated out of the U.S. and are perfectly legal.
His best line to the police should have been
" Am I Under arrest if not i'll be going, and if so I want my lawyer" -
10-07-2008, 05:50 AMLawResearcherMissyRe: Are Search Terms and Results Porn?And if you do it at work, it's perfectly legal to fire you so hard, there's nothing left of you but half a smoking shoe and one flaming sock.Quote:
Honestly, If i wanna look at pre-teen girls in a bikini. It's perfectly legal.
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10-07-2008, 05:53 AMModeratorRe: Are Search Terms and Results Porn?If perhaps you came in here spouting such a load of malarkey, I would ban you with extreme prejudice.Quote:
If perhaps I was making this us just to test the veracity of this site for classroom study then you and the site failed miserably.
You came here with your hand out for free advice. If you don't like the advice you were given, feel free to move on to the paid advice of an attorney.
Mind your manners with the volunteers or you will be shown the door.