First Offense, Shoplifting

I was caught last sunday shoplifting at the infamous target. after a struggle to get cuffs on me(stupid mistake) by target personnel i was sent to go to the local police station and finger printed etc. i havent gotten any information on what is going to happen. i have found that target will fine me(for 20 bucks worth of merchandise) from previous posts,i might get community service or probation for this "assault" charge. what i want to know is what will happen to me and will this first offense ruin my chances for scholarships, applying for jobs(some in retail), and going to college and getting a "real" job with an expunged juvenile record?

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Quoting kidjoker73519

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I was caught last sunday shoplifting at the infamous target. after a struggle to get cuffs on me(stupid mistake) by target personnel i was sent to go to the local police station and finger printed etc. i havent gotten any information on what is going to happen. i have found that target will fine me(for 20 bucks worth of merchandise) from previous posts,i might get community service or probation for this "assault" charge. what i want to know is what will happen to me and will this first offense ruin my chances for scholarships, applying for jobs(some in retail), and going to college and getting a "real" job with an expunged juvenile record?

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Your retail career is over.

You need an attorney... tomorrow. Stealing was bad. Assault was worse.

You don't say how old you are... but if you can be charged as an adult, these charges could be around your neck forever.

How do you feel about working in a paper hat?

im charged as a minor im 15 in illinois this is my first offense ever i mean i learned my lesson and all that but will this come back up to haunt me when i apply for colleges in the near future and scholarships and what not hopefully after it has been expunged :(

Then start selling your stuff on ebay.

A good attorney to get you out of this will be in the neighborhood of 5 grand.

you don't think the judge will go easy on me since its my first time? i mean cant i get um letters of recommendation to sway them towards me cuz its only 20 bucks and that assault claim is totally bogus as hell

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you don't think the judge will go easy on me since its my first time? i mean cant i get um letters of recommendation to sway them towards me cuz its only 20 bucks and that assault claim is totally bogus as hell

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I was assuming it was a first offense... though with multiple charges.

That will cost around 5 large.

This is not the end of the world; don't let the folks on here scare you with "you'll have to flip burgers for the rest of your life." That's simply not true. Firstly your juvenile record will be sealed once you turn eighteen, so you can tell jobs you have a clean history; secondly, most jobs ask about convictions within the last 5-7 years only--thus the background check agency is not allowed to report anything else. Also, this should not interfere with college admission too much. Many schools don't even ask about a criminal record and, even if they do , that doesn't mean they automatically won't accept you. A law shool will certainly ask about convictions; an applicant for a state university into ,say, the English department won't have any trouble with a criminal record. (what the hell does a criminal record have to do with getting an education, anyway). There are high school teachers with minor criminal records, for heaven's sake! Trus me, I know this for a fact.

Please, all you folks on here stop exagerating the consequences of misdemeanors and scaring the posters.

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This is not the end of the world; don't let the folks on here scare you with "you'll have to flip burgers for the rest of your life." That's simply not true. Firstly your juvenile record will be sealed once you turn eighteen, so you can tell jobs you have a clean history; secondly, most jobs ask about convictions within the last 5-7 years only--thus the background check agency is not allowed to report anything else. Also, this should not interfere with college admission too much. Many schools don't even ask about a criminal record and, even if they do , that doesn't mean they automatically won't accept you. A law shool will certainly ask about convictions; an applicant for a state university into ,say, the English department won't have any trouble with a criminal record. (what the hell does a criminal record have to do with getting an education, anyway). There are high school teachers with minor criminal records, for heaven's sake! Trus me, I know this for a fact.

Please, all you folks on here stop exagerating the consequences of misdemeanors and scaring the posters.

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Oh, so you feel comfortable in hiring a 15 year old with a theft and assault conviction?

You should send him your address.

Criminal record checks are very important in an education career in a number of ways (I say this as the husband of a teacher).

Sex crimes, assault and various other crimes of questionable judgement and action should be look into for anyone that wants to teach our children.

Again, if you don't care, give the nice OP the directions to the school where YOUR children attend.

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Oh, so you feel comfortable in hiring a 15 year old with a theft and assault conviction?

You should send him your address.

Criminal record checks are very important in an education career in a number of ways (I say this as the husband of a teacher).

Sex crimes, assault and various other crimes of questionable judgement and action should be look into for anyone that wants to teach our children.

Again, if you don't care, give the nice OP the directions to the school where YOUR children attend.

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This is not about you or me; this is about the poster and the real world. many times jobs and schools do not ask about convictions of a certain nature or beyond a certain date; therfore, anything outside of their stated scope is none of their business. Criminal backgrounds should have nothing to do with college admissions unless you are applying to law or med school. No one should be denied an education because of a prior indescretion or mistake. I am a highschool teacher in Los Angeles, by the way, so don't lecture me about education. Plenty of the kids in my school wind up with criminal records. So according to you they loose the right to go to college and move on with their lives?? Would you say this to your kid if he/she got caught for something petty and stupid? Ideally, colleges should not even have the right to ask about convictions. Don't people deserve to move on after they have completed the sentence of the court? Why should they be punished further, especially for something petty like shoplifting?

I've got news for you: there ar a lot of folks with bullshit minor convictions in the profesions. I know of two personally that are very successful and good in their professions. But I guess according to you they should be flipping burgers for the rest of their lives because they stole a bottle of deodorant when they were twenty!

It feels good being a keyboard commando, doesn't it?

well i just finished writing my apology letter just in case i have to go to court idk as of yet and i hope i really get off cuz 20 bucks worth of shit wasnt worth of it and thankz for letting me kno i can still do alot of stuff such as finding a job(not flipin burgers for the rest of my life) to help through college and make some money on the side.

Slow down no one here even mouser is saying that will happen. Whether or not it effects your future (I tend to side with cyjeff) is unknown. If you want your future for College, career etc to stay safe find an Attorney. The Attorney can help you find a way to minimize the damage. On a personal note I would not hire somone with your background.

Its also worth noting that Target "may" belong to the retail theft database. This means your name has been inputted into system and any other retailer who is a subscriber will see your theft history

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Its also worth noting that Target "may" belong to the retail theft database. This means your name has been inputted into system and any other retailer who is a subscriber will see your theft history

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so if i try to get a job at a retail after this passes they are going to kno i have a misdemeanor?

No they will know (if they have access to said database) you were stopped for shoplifting. This is pretty much a guarantee you wont be hired. Keep in mind that only those retailer who subscribe to this database and access it will see this. If Target is a subscriber and if they inputted you into system

do u think the judge will go easy on me considering this is my first time? i mean the only thing really keeping me from getting off is the assault charge and that is still a big mystery to me

That is a question to ask your Attorney

dont have one i now know that i need one in order to actually avoid the severity of my crime.

Then start making calls

Wow. You read between the lines pretty well. Let me help you.

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This is not about you or me; this is about the poster and the real world. many times jobs and schools do not ask about convictions of a certain nature or beyond a certain date

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Okay. So which jobs, exactly, don't ask about that nasty assault charge?

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; therfore, anything outside of their stated scope is none of their business.

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assault is always in scope,

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I am a highschool teacher in Los Angeles, by the way, so don't lecture me about education. Plenty of the kids in my school wind up with criminal records. So according to you they loose the right to go to college and move on with their lives??

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I didn't say that, Mr. Kotter. Where did I say that he shouldn't get an education.

You took a pretty good leap there. Watch the first step.

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Ideally, colleges should not even have the right to ask about convictions. Don't people deserve to move on after they have completed the sentence of the court?

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I tell you what. Let's ask the students and faculty of Virginia Tech how they feel about that.

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Why should they be punished further, especially for something petty like shoplifting?

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Why shouldn't they be? Why should they be treated exactly the same as children that DIDN'T break the rules?

All this teaches children is that there really isn't any accountability because some bleeding heart do gooder will tell them that it really doesn't count.

I have hired and fired dozens of people over the course of my career. I know what to look for in background checks and in resumes.

How many have you hired? How would you feel if that teacher in the next room had a record of assault but he is really sorry?

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I've got news for you: there ar a lot of folks with bullshit minor convictions in the profesions. I know of two personally that are very successful and good in their professions. But I guess according to you they should be flipping burgers for the rest of their lives because they stole a bottle of deodorant when they were twenty!

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As they say in the theatre, there are no minor crimes, just minor criminals.

I have hired felons from time to time... but they had to show a pattern of regret after their offense.

Our young friend here doesn't have that luxury. He will, in fact, be flipping burgers through high school because no one else will hire him... and maybe not them.

People do not like to hire thieves. And once you have proven yourself to be a thief, there is ALWAYS the chance you will do it again.

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It feels good being a keyboard commando, doesn't it?

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You seem to think I was talking about his whole life... he asked about immediate jobs... and you are wrong.

if the teacher in the next room had a history of assault many years ago, it would be totally irrelavent to me or to the quality of services he can provide. I would have to ask what the circumstances of the assault were before passing judgment on someone. (assault doesn't automatically make one a criminal . . . just like one shoplifting charge doesn't make one a criminal). there is a world of difference between beating someone during the commision of another crime and, for example, getting in a drunken fight in a club on a Saturday night. If it's the latter case, what right do you have to judge soemone? A formal conviction record does not imediately mean you are a "criminal

woah dude calm down its not that serious im the one who shoplifted and stuff you shouldnt be the ones arguing over what is what just know both of you helped me even though one was more harsher than the other >.> but quit it its not worth getting heated over.

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assault doesn't automatically make one a criminal . . . just like one shoplifting charge doesn't make one a criminal.

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That would actually be the definition of a criminal.

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there is a world of difference between beating someone during the commision of another crime and, for example, getting in a drunken fight in a club on a Saturday night. If it's the latter case, what right do you have to judge soemone? A formal conviction record does not imediately mean you are a "criminal

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Again, that would be the definition of a criminal. A person convicted of a crime in a court of law.

There are levels of assault... but convicted of any makes the person a criminal.

There are levels of theft....but all makes the person a criminal.

This is a legal site. If you want to talk about the philosophical nature of man, go somewhere else.

The law, however, is pretty black and white here.

Actually that is not the definition of a criminal.

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criminal: someone who has been legally convicted of a crime

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So just because you have been charged with a crime doesn't mean you are a criminal.

BTW - Target "subscribes" to these databases, but that is not a guarantee that you won't get hired at a member subscriber.

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Actually that is not the definition of a criminal.




So just because you have been charged with a crime doesn't mean you are a criminal.

BTW - Target "subscribes" to these databases, but that is not a guarantee that you won't get hired at a member subscriber.

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As I said "A person convicted of a crime in a court of law."

If you are going to rush in to nitpick, at least read all the way through.