Can't Get a Job Because of Previous Unfounded Suspension

My question involves a driver's license issued by the State of: California

Okay, bear with me, this is complicated. Several years ago, I didn't have a driver's license, and I drove an electric scooter (which didn't require license or registration). One day I went around the corner to get something to eat, and I left the helmet at home. I got caught by a copcycle for not wearing my helmet. I got a ticket, thought a while about it, figured it wasn't worth driving myself further into debt over trying to "pay" (why do you think I was driving electric?), and shuffled it away.

Fast forward to today. I finally got my license about a year ago. I had nowhere to stay so I was sleeping in my car. I had no income and desperately trying to change that. I applied at pizza delivery places. One of them required a current copy of my driving record. Well, I had my laptop, a printer, and a scanner with me in the car (*geek*), so I went down to DMV to get a copy of my record. That was when I found that my license had been suspended for the past couple days (great timing). Confused, since it had been so long, I'm convinced there's some keys that slipped up on someone else's suspension. Long story short, here, I find it's because of that ticket on the scooter.

I go to traffic court and talk with a judge, and I get everything taken care of by just throwing money at the problem (I had a small backup fund). Went to DMV and paid them to have my license "turned back on". Everything was well and good. I got a job at one of the pizza places, they didn't require a current printout. I worked there for 6 months. But at the end of those 6 months, or when my background check expired, they re-ran it and told me I couldn't work there anymore. Confused once again by the breakdown of communication, it takes another week or so to get a definitive word from the people above as to why I couldn't work.

I couldn't work there anymore because of that PAST suspension on my record. A suspension that should never have occurred, because I never received *any* information about the ridiculous ticket, and I took care of it as soon as I knew it was there. So I continue on about my life, sore about this ridiculous suspension. Now, today, I went to an interview for my "dream job", a job I'm fully qualified for, and would be fulfilled in life doing. Halfway through the interview I'm interrupted after going over the reason for losing my pizza delivery job, and am told I can't have that position for the same reason - they need me to drive a company car and I can't have that suspension on my record. :wallbang:

Now I'm fuming. I am bound and determined to get that off my record any way I can. It should never have been there and is keeping me from getting a job I'm fully qualified for. What can be done about this? Where do I start? I'm not giving up on this until I've beaten DMV to the ground for ruining my life...

You did receive information about the "ridiculous ticket". You received it, 'shuffled it away' and chose to ignore it. As you've learned, that wasn't a wise choice.

The DMV didn't "ruin your life", you did. If anything, take responsibility of what you did, or in this case, didn't do! If you ignore a citation, you risk losing your license, as you did. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Oh, and traffic violations cannot be expunged so this will remain on your record.

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And I'm hoping yours will just happen to be "one of those people who really don't know what they're talking about". Next, please.

You failed to appear for a traffic citation. Your license can be suspended for that - and it was. You could also have received an arrest warrant for failing to appear, so be thankful that the warrant did no also happen.

Now, WHY it took so long to get into the system, or why it was not caught before, is anyone's guess. More than likely, when you got the scooter citation you did not have a driver's license (either issued or in your possession) and the original citation was not "filed" under the license number you only just got one year ago. Finally, they cross-referenced the name, date of birth, etc. and found that you had a suspension under what is sometimes referred to as an "X reference" number - sort of a placeholder number assigned by the DMV.

Ultimately, this problem was created by your failing to act on the previous citation.

Sorry.

- Carl

Okay, I seem to have not mentioned that very clearly. No, I didn't have a license. No, I didn't take care of the ticket because there was nothing to take care of, no instructions, no information. I never got anything in the mail or on the phone telling me what or where. And it was a worthless ticket for "not wearing a helmet", a widely disputed "law" that is practically pure bull anyway. So it's a ticket I should never have gotten, that resulted in a suspension on a premise that should never have occurred, that resulted in something on my record that never should have occurred.

The fact of the matter is, this garbage is keeping me FROM GETTING A JOB, and the sheer obscenity of the whole situation should be glaringly obvious to anyone with a functioning neural mass in their head. It's like being locked up for sneezing in a movie theatre, without bail. A totally ridiculous and purely excusable thing you did, resulting in unending misery for you, years after you "learned your lesson". What kind of justice is that?

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Quoting FalconFour

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No, I didn't have a license.

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Hence the reason you were likely assigned what is called an "X reference" number. It is essentially a DL number with an X in front of it (instead of a "D", "A" or whatever yours is now).

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No, I didn't take care of the ticket because there was nothing to take care of, no instructions, no information. I never got anything in the mail or on the phone telling me what or where.

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What about the court date that was ON the ticket. You are required to show up for that.

If you were ticketed into juvenile court and were never notified, then you might have an argument against the suspension.

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And it was a worthless ticket for "not wearing a helmet", a widely disputed "law" that is practically pure bull anyway.

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Was it a motorized scooter or a push scooter? Either way, the law is clear - and WAS clear even 6 or 7 years ago. Who is (or was) disputing it? Whether you agreed with it is not a legal defense.

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So it's a ticket I should never have gotten, that resulted in a suspension on a premise that should never have occurred, that resulted in something on my record that never should have occurred.

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You rode a scooter without a helmet in violation of the CVC, apparently ... how is that something that should not have occurred??? :confused:

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The fact of the matter is, this garbage is keeping me FROM GETTING A JOB, and the sheer obscenity of the whole situation should be glaringly obvious to anyone with a functioning neural mass in their head.

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You're right ... and when yours is up and functioning, you can kick yourself in your neural mass for "shuffling away" that citation so many years ago.

And it is not keeping you from getting A job, it is keeping you from getting THAT job ... a pizza delivery driver job. I seriously doubt that is the only job out there.

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It's like being locked up for sneezing in a movie theatre, without bail.

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The only difference is that sneezing is not a crime.

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A totally ridiculous and purely excusable thing you did, resulting in unending misery for you, years after you "learned your lesson". What kind of justice is that?

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Don't like it, change the law. In the meantime, you need to find out a couple of things ... what was the code section you violated? What was the authority code for the suspension? (Those two could be key)

Were you cited into Juvenile Court and told you'd be notified? Did you miss the court date on the citation? Did the court allege good service of the court date? Did the DMV allege good service of the suspension (there is a letter code after the suspension authority - if "M", then the notice was mailed).

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Quoting FalconFour

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And I'm hoping yours will just happen to be "one of those people who really don't know what they're talking about". Next, please.

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Sorry to dash your hopes - guess I proved you wrong

No one likes to find out that the person that put them in such a terrible place is the same one in the mirror.

Doesn't change anything, but it makes us all feel better if we can blame "the man".

How true! And many think that by "shoving it between the couch cushions", it goes away - never to return again.

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What about the court date that was ON the ticket. You are required to show up for that.

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There was never a date on the ticket... no "where to go", no "what do do", no information - AT ALL. Just some scribble about not wearing a helmet.

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If you were ticketed into juvenile court and were never notified, then you might have an argument against the suspension.

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Well, at this point, I can't remember the exact date, nor even how old I was, but given the sequence of events I must have been over 18 to have been where I was. So, unfortunately, that rules that out.

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Was it a motorized scooter or a push scooter? Either way, the law is clear - and WAS clear even 6 or 7 years ago. Who is (or was) disputing it? Whether you agreed with it is not a legal defense.

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It was an electric scooter, like a Vespa, but only bigger. The cop had to look that one up, and found that, as I read, I didn't need a license or registration (considered a moped) as long as it was either "push assisted" and gas, or "all electric". As for the people disputing it, just google for "helmet law".

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And it is not keeping you from getting A job, it is keeping you from getting THAT job ... a pizza delivery driver job. I seriously doubt that is the only job out there.

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I just had to reply to this one... NO. I'm not looking to get another pizza job... although I could probably get a pizza delivery job with no problems since I left that last job on good terms. No, it was a PC repair job that required me to drive a company car. Both things, I'm incredibly good with (well, repairing PCs being in the majority), but couldn't get that job because of this bullcrap on my DMV record. So that effectively rules out an entire mess of job opportunities that I'm perfectly qualified for, but can't get - like Geek Squad (who drive to customer locations), and a whole list of companies that do at-location services. Thanks to this crap at the DMV. Not thanks to me. Only an idiot would place the blame on ME for this (and that seems to be the norm here... :wallbang:)

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The only difference is that sneezing is not a crime.

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So that just perfectly describes your state of mind... if SNEEZING IN A MOVIE THEATER were a crime, you would be perfectly fine with locking someone up in jail. Even though it's a ridiculous law (and despite your best efforts at polishing governmental rears with your lips, there ARE ridiculously stupid laws), and it didn't hurt anyone, you'd be for throwing someone in jail without any ability to get out, for an untold amount of time... for sneezing. That's real justice.

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Don't like it, change the law. In the meantime, you need to find out a couple of things ... what was the code section you violated? What was the authority code for the suspension? (Those two could be key)

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Okay, now at least we're speaking somewhat reasonably. Where would I find those things? Don't say "on the ticket", because I lost that years ago...

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Were you cited into Juvenile Court and told you'd be notified? Did you miss the court date on the citation? Did the court allege good service of the court date? Did the DMV allege good service of the suspension (there is a letter code after the suspension authority - if "M", then the notice was mailed).

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Juvenile Court, probably not... like I wrote earlier here, I had to have been just 18. There wasn't a date on the ticket at all (I remember that much, otherwise I would have gone - I've had to take care of two other minor tickets since then). Assuming the last two statements are related, then where would I find that information?

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Quoting cdwjava

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You failed to appear for a traffic citation. Your license can be suspended for that - and it was. You could also have received an arrest warrant for failing to appear, so be thankful that the warrant did no also happen.

Now, WHY it took so long to get into the system, or why it was not caught before, is anyone's guess. More than likely, when you got the scooter citation you did not have a driver's license (either issued or in your possession) and the original citation was not "filed" under the license number you only just got one year ago. Finally, they cross-referenced the name, date of birth, etc. and found that you had a suspension under what is sometimes referred to as an "X reference" number - sort of a placeholder number assigned by the DMV.

Ultimately, this problem was created by your failing to act on the previous citation.

Sorry.

- Carl

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This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.

You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.

The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.
This too shows a miscarriage of justice: things requiring credit reporting should be those things that were purchased on credit. But in California's schizophrenic criminal justice system, Things that shouldn't cause a suspended license do, and things that shouldn't cause a blacklisted credit report do.
Rather than trying to find other, more appropriate means of fixing California's damaged economy, the California legislature sucks money from unsuspecting victims, such as a young person riding a scooter without a helmet.

Rather than trying to save a scooter-riding taxpayer brain damage by making him wear a helmet, the California legislature actually inflicted very substantial damage in the form of destruction of job opportunities, a screwed up credit report, and an obscene, absurd fine, which will likely exceed $500 when the Legislature-induced nightmare ends for him.

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No one likes to find out that the person that put them in such a terrible place is the same one in the mirror.

Doesn't change anything, but it makes us all feel better if we can blame "the man".

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I contend it's not the person in the mirror that caused this debacle with the OP's inability to employ himself; the problem resides with the California state legislature for creating and implementing draconian, harmful punishments to laws--some of which most people of average common sense aren't even aware of.

I cannot blame you for being so myopic; I can only accuse you of savagery.
Since you're likely employed by law enforcement in some capacity, you stand to benefit whenever the state legislature comes out with another ridiculous and painfully unfair law. The instance with the OP is just one example.
The state justice system effectively and substantially damaged this man's life and welfare, yet you do not sympathize with this miscarriage of justice. If you were to sympathize with him, you'd place your own opinion of the justice system at risk, causing you to question the social value of the union you're working for.

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I contend it's not the person in the mirror that caused this debacle with the OP's inability to employ himself; the problem resides with the California state legislature for creating and implementing draconian, harmful punishments to laws--some of which most people of average common sense aren't even aware of.

I cannot blame you for being so myopic; I can only accuse you of savagery.
Since you're likely employed by law enforcement in some capacity, you stand to benefit whenever the state legislature comes out with another ridiculous and painfully unfair law. The instance with the OP is just one example.
The state justice system effectively and substantially damaged this man's life and welfare, yet you do not sympathize with this miscarriage of justice. If you were to sympathize with him, you'd place your own opinion of the justice system at risk, causing you to question the social value of the union you're working for.

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When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.

That is called personal responsibility.

Yes, I know. It is far easier to say it is the government's fault that you choose to ignore a ticket or to drive while intoxicated.

Ultimately, you are at fault. Everything else is just a rationalization.

This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.

You, however, appear to be a slow learner.

Finally, a voice of reason in this thread... and that's not directed at the writer of the following quotes.

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When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.

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You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.

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This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.

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I think your relation is slightly incorrect... there's only been one occurance (note the part where I said I've received, and taken care of, 2 minor tickets since this occurred). So this is rather like when you were a child and touched a hot stove, then your mom built a brick wall around the stove, just high enough so you can't reach the stove again until you grow up 5 more years. Which would explain why you think this is "justice".

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You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.

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When I read ...

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I got caught by a copcycle for not wearing my helmet. I got a ticket, thought a while about it, figured it wasn't worth driving myself further into debt over trying to "pay" (why do you think I was driving electric?), and shuffled it away.

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I thought you meant you received it by mail. Regardless... it doesn't matter. You decided to ignore a ticket because it was inconvenient. Now you understand what the word inconvenient actually means.

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I think your relation is slightly incorrect... there's only been one occurance (note the part where I said I've received, and taken care of, 2 minor tickets since this occurred). So this is rather like when you were a child and touched a hot stove, then your mom built a brick wall around the stove, just high enough so you can't reach the stove again until you grow up 5 more years. Which would explain why you think this is "justice".

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Were you under the impression that the legal system would come to your house and remind you of your offense? That someone would call your home to make sure you paid your nothing fine and then make sure it took place?

This is not the system's fault. You made a poor decision. You are now paying for it.

Be a man and fix it. Whining about how everyone is against you only makes you look petulant.

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When you get pulled over, a cop tickets you, you receive a court date in the mail and then decide to ignore the whole incident in the hopes that it will go away, you are digging your own hole.

That is called personal responsibility.

Yes, I know. It is far easier to say it is the government's fault that you choose to ignore a ticket or to drive while intoxicated.

Ultimately, you are at fault. Everything else is just a rationalization.

This is no different from that time when you were a child and touched a hot stove. You learned immediately not to do it again.

You, however, appear to be a slow learner.

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cyjeff, you seem constitutionally incapable of grasping concepts such as justice and fairness. Suppose your child's high school/elementary school came out with the edict that any child caught skipping class with THC or alcohol on his breath will be prosecuted by the D/A and expelled from school. Draconian-sounding? You bet! Now suppose your son/daughter just happened to get caught up in that mess ("This school has seen unremitting crime and absenteeism due to our kids getting sucked into the menace of that evil demon, THC with alcohol. We need to act and act hard now, before our kids die of drug use by the time they're 18!"). What would you do? Ground him/her? Suspend an allowance? Prey tell, what would you do?

Since your kid's future is at stake (GED is always the option, but not too many ppl entering MIT with GED's nowadays), you'd likely fight the miscarriage of justice.

What's very sad is that the only way for this fight to take place is if it happens in your own front yard; that is, if it happens with your own son/daughter. If, for whatever reason your kid isn't using alcohol or THC, people like you would likely favor such a draconian edict at this grade school; all other parents, and all other children be damned.

The only real way we can fight the injustices such as the gross miscarriage of justice inflicted upon the OP is to limit the scope and kind of person eligible to vote. By removing some people from the voting booths, I believe we can more efficiently and more effectively elect the better, stronger and fairer leader.

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cyjeff, you seem constitutionally incapable of grasping concepts such as justice and fairness.

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Hardly.

You do the crime, you do the time. What could be more fair or just?

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Suppose your child's high school/elementary school came out with the edict that any child caught skipping class with THC or alcohol on his breath will be prosecuted by the D/A and expelled from school.

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They do.

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Draconian-sounding? You bet! Now suppose your son/daughter just happened to get caught up in that mess ("This school has seen unremitting crime and absenteeism due to our kids getting sucked into the menace of that evil demon, THC with alcohol. We need to act and act hard now, before our kids die of drug use by the time they're 18!"). What would you do? Ground him/her? Suspend an allowance? Prey tell, what would you do?

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I would take away every single priviledge or benefit that the child has until the behavior stops.

The first thing I would do is toss my child's room making sure that there wasn't anything that shouldn't be there.

Finally, I would thank the school for identifying a problem with my child while it is still manageable. You know, like before their third DUI.

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Since your kid's future is at stake (GED is always the option, but not too many ppl entering MIT with GED's nowadays), you'd likely fight the miscarriage of justice.

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Nope... because it isn't a miscarriage of justice.

First, every child, moron, is entitled to an education. If you are removed from the school according to district for a behavior problem, you are sent to another school for behavior challenged kids.

Second, you most certainly can get into MIT with a GED.

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What's very sad is that the only way for this fight to take place is if it happens in your own front yard; that is, if it happens with your own son/daughter. If, for whatever reason your kid isn't using alcohol or THC, people like you would likely favor such a draconian edict at this grade school; all other parents, and all other children be damned.

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There is no fight. I agree with the suspension/expulsion.

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The only real way we can fight the injustices such as the gross miscarriage of justice inflicted upon the OP is to limit the scope and kind of person eligible to vote. By removing some people from the voting booths, I believe we can more efficiently and more effectively elect the better, stronger and fairer leader.

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The good news is that, as a felon, you can also no longer vote.

I don't understand why this is hard for you. If you don't like the penalty, don't break the law.

You are such a moron that you broke the same law multiple times before this sank in.

Sorry... I have no sympathy for folks that not only feel comfortable endangering the public on a routine basis (because I don't believe for a moment that these were the only times you drove drunk), but is also so stupid that you don't understand after the first couple of times that this is a bad idea.

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Finally, a voice of reason in this thread... and that's not directed at the writer of the following quotes.

You don't seem to retain facts in your memory very long... even in the course of reading the current replies in this topic, you seem to have forgotten the number of times I said that I never had a date, and never received anything in the mail. This, therefore, invalidates your comment here.

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Correct, FalconFour, you don't retain facts in your memory for very long. Why? Because you were riding an electric scooter--without a helmet, that's why.
There were no bank robberies, there were no rapes, there were no murders at gunpoint.
There wasn't even a speeding ticket of doing 67 in a 65.
There was just a kid riding an 8-MPH electric scooter without a helmet. Chasing after his dog, which can run much faster.

For this reason you understandably downplayed that citation. The menace of the California state judicial system, however, did not. And with it, utterly ruined the next three years of your professional life.

I see no way around this miscarriage of justice. I have learned in all my years that there really isn't any way to deal with this kind of legislative and judicial abuse upon citizens, outside of raising millions of dollars and threatening the judicial branch of criminal justice with lawyers...
...This is also why police usually patrol the poorer neighborhoods, and why wealthier teenagers get away with speeding in their wealthy neighborhoods: avoiding the wealthier neighborhoods guarantees wealthy families do not get involved in the criminal justice system, threatening it...

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Hardly.
You do the crime, you do the time. What could be more fair or just?
They do.
I would take away every single priviledge or benefit that the child has until the behavior stops.

The first thing I would do is toss my child's room making sure that there wasn't anything that shouldn't be there.

Finally, I would thank the school for identifying a problem with my child while it is still manageable. You know, like before their third DUI.
Nope... because it isn't a miscarriage of justice.
First, every child, moron, is entitled to an education. If you are removed from the school according to district for a behavior problem, you are sent to another school for behavior challenged kids.
Second, you most certainly can get into MIT with a GED.
There is no fight. I agree with the suspension/expulsion.
The good news is that, as a felon, you can also no longer vote.
I don't understand why this is hard for you. If you don't like the penalty, on't break the law.
You are such a moron that you broke the same law multiple times before this sank in.
Sorry... I have no sympathy for folks that not only feel comfortable endangering the public on a routine basis (because I don't believe for a moment that these were the only times you drove drunk), but is also so stupid that you don't understand after the first couple of times that this is a bad idea.

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I really want this thread to stay on-topic, as the OP seems to have a more polished intellect than your own (heck. Even blueeagle is more polished, no offense).

But, suppose your child, who has a 3.5 GPA and UCLA scholarship, was caught with THC or alcohol on his breath while at school. Furthermore, suppose your kid is expelled from the school, forcing you to transfer your kid to the only available school for his offense: the dreaded Downtown High School (DHS). This is the high school where there are multiple gang shootings and whatnot. It's frequently featured on Channel 5 News because of gang and drug activity.
And it's the only school you are legally allowed to send your upright, bright kid.
The only thing you knew about the new expulsion policy was that it was for kids at the high school who deal massive amounts of drugs such as crystal meth, bring guns to school such as semi-automatic pistols, and commit chronic truancy.
You find out, as your kid is being police-escorted to your house, that the expulsion policy is 'zero tolerance' and can cover any kid sipping a beer or in possession of a joint.

Are you ready to sentence your kid for the rest of his high school days to DHS without a whimper? Or are you going to write a letter to the D/A; talk to the Principal? It's gotta be one or the other.

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When I read ...I thought...

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Please, please. Do not do that.

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I really want this thread to stay on-topic, as the OP seems to have a more polished intellect than your own (heck. Even blueeagle is more polished, no offense).

But, suppose your child, who has a 3.5 GPA and UCLA scholarship, was caught with THC or alcohol on his breath while at school. Furthermore, suppose your kid is expelled from the school, forcing you to transfer your kid to the only available school for his offense: the dreaded Downtown High School (DHS). This is the high school where there are multiple gang shootings and whatnot. It's frequently featured on Channel 5 News because of gang and drug activity.
And it's the only school you are legally allowed to send your upright, bright kid.
The only thing you knew about the new expulsion policy was that it was for kids at the high school who deal massive amounts of drugs such as crystal meth, bring guns to school such as semi-automatic pistols, and commit chronic truancy.
You find out, as your kid is being police-escorted to your house, that the expulsion policy is 'zero tolerance' and can cover any kid sipping a beer or in possession of a joint.

Are you ready to sentence your kid for the rest of his high school days to DHS without a whimper? Or are you going to write a letter to the D/A; talk to the Principal? It's gotta be one or the other.

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Yes. I would send my child to the DHS without a whimper.

You do the crime, you do the time. My children understand that what is right is right... and what is wrong is wrong.

You don't have to agree with the rules. You just have to obey them.

To get back on topic. The OP had an opportunity to take care of this easily and painlessly. He choose not to do that.

He operated under the assumption that there was nothing the state could do to him if he ignored what he thought to be a bad law.

How is that working out?

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This kind of thinking is what's responsible for our current high levels of incarceration compared to other socialist democracies, and it also illustrates an utter breakdown of a person's ability to rationalize appropriately.

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Huh?

What has this got to do with anything?

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You said that this individual's inability to get a job requiring a CDL is because he failed to act on a citation. I allege that he did nothing deserving a CDL license suspension, and that the courts resorted to inappropriate measures.

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Apparently, the laws of the state of CA disagree with you. I'm sorry you disagree with helmet laws.

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The arrest warrant was not issued because California now replaces the warrant with the collections agency. There's no doubt the OP now has an adversely affected credit report.

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You are incorrect on that. They can choose to do either ... they often do NOT issue warrants because they tend to be expensive. Ir also depends on the age of the defendant. If he was a minor at the time, then they are not likely to issue the warrant.

- Carl

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Yes. I would send my child to the DHS without a whimper.

You do the crime, you do the time. My children understand that what is right is right... and what is wrong is wrong.

You don't have to agree with the rules. You just have to obey them.

To get back on topic. The OP had an opportunity to take care of this easily and painlessly. He choose not to do that.

He operated under the assumption that there was nothing the state could do to him if he ignored what he thought to be a bad law.

How is that working out?

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Why must you always play the coward? First, you run around this forum, saying, "Yeah, but... PMC has 3 DUI's! PMC has 3 DUI's!" to every post I make, then you play the coward again by lying about sending your kids to the high school without a whimper just to flaccidly and limply win an argument.
Can't you get some grit? Can't you grow a pair?

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Why must you always play the coward? First, you run around this forum, saying, "Yeah, but... PMC has 3 DUI's! PMC has 3 DUI's!" to every post I make, then you play the coward again by lying about sending your kids to the high school without a whimper just to flaccidly and limply win an argument.
Can't you get some grit? Can't you grow a pair?

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Says that man that whines about how the man hates him because he insists on driving drunk.

I think I can live with that.

I am loving this topic. The voice of idiocy and "HIT ME AGAIN PLEASE" balanced out by the voice of reason.

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because he insists on driving drunk.

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You know, someone that makes a single mistake, either because they didn't know, or screwed up once, isn't exactly the poster child for the legal system's ability to put offenders away. Kinda makes you look like an ass.

And at the rest of this thread, well, it's nice to see that there are people with balanced minds in the world... however it's unfortunate that there are people like cyjeff and cdwjava that somehow honestly believe (and, of course, there is the possibility of them just being an internet troll here) that what has happened to me is "justice", that it's actually helping someone, and that I should just live with it. I guess it helps cdwjava's confidence in doing his job as a cop... you've got to actually believe the bullcrap you're writing on those tickets, right? ;)

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I am loving this topic. The voice of idiocy and "HIT ME AGAIN PLEASE" balanced out by the voice of reason.

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Just because someone else buys into your whole "I shouldn't have to pay for my mistake because it is inconvenient" thing doesn't mean they are the voice of reason.

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You know, someone that makes a single mistake, either because they didn't know, or screwed up once, isn't exactly the poster child for the legal system's ability to put offenders away. Kinda makes you look like an ass.

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I can live with your opinion.

Personally, I think someone that would ignore a minor ticket under the hopes that it would just go away is kind of an idiot.

Aren't opinions fun?

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And at the rest of this thread, well, it's nice to see that there are people with balanced minds in the world... however it's unfortunate that there are people like cyjeff and cdwjava that somehow honestly believe (and, of course, there is the possibility of them just being an internet troll here) that what has happened to me is "justice", that it's actually helping someone, and that I should just live with it. I guess it helps cdwjava's confidence in doing his job as a cop... you've got to actually believe the bullcrap you're writing on those tickets, right? ;)

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What you don't seem to grasp is that it doesn't matter whether Carl and I are right or not.

All that matters is that the law says we are. If you don't like the laws, write your congressperson.

Again, a grown man that hopes that he can hide from a traffic ticket shows a remarkably poor decision making ability. Carl needs no validation for you for the confidence in his job. He has helped scrape the brains of idiots off the curb before after they decided to drive without a helmet.

I would think that would be enough.

Well, in the end, whether you believe a helmet violation is worthy of a ticket or a stern finger wagging is irrelevant. Not wearing a helmet IS a cite-able offense, and not taking care of a cite has consequences as you have discovered. As has been mentioned, there may be a problem with the service of the suspension and you might be able to make an administrative appeal of that decision, but disagreeing that you should have ever been given the citation is entirely irrelevant.

And Cyjeff does point out something that is right on, I have witnessed the brains of adults AND kids oozing onto the pavement because of no helmet (motorcycle and bicycle) and have seen numerous collisions or falls where the ONLY reason the cyclist, motorcyclist, even skateboarder has NOT been killed or seriously hurt was because of a helmet.

If you do not like helmet laws, then start with your state Assembly person.

- Carl

Falcon:

I suggest you go to work for yourself.

You seem to have an aversion to authority, especially if that was your website I was just viewing, (and I bet it probably is)

You actually did bring this on yourself, although it may take a few years before that actually sinks in for ya.

Good luck,

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Falcon:

I suggest you go to work for yourself.

You seem to have an aversion to authority, especially if that was your website I was just viewing, (and I bet it probably is)

You actually did bring this on yourself, although it may take a few years before that actually sinks in for ya.

Good luck,

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I don't believe FalconFour has an aversion to authority. I believe he is just now developing one due to experiencing this very flagrant miscarriage of justice, but I don't believe he has one now.

Please cite your legal authorities, pm. I can't wait to read them.

OP, I know it always "feels" best when someone agrees with you, but, it isn't necessarily the legally sound answer. (as you will come to realize some day.) (I hope.)

I have to live with authority every day. There are laws in place to protect me and others around me, laws that protect my possessions and safety. Laws that protect rights, ideas, money, and anything else that may need to be protected. And I agree with them. I live by the laws and as I have explained, I take responsibility for the things I do wrong - one ticket for having almost all my tail lights out (oops... I forgot I even had a 3rd brake light), and one ticket for cutting off a motorcop doing a U-turn in a hurry. Both were taken care of - I even had to go down to the traffic court 3 times for the brakelight ticket because I tried taking care of it too early. I had to put off the U-turn (unsafe turn) one until about a week before it was due, because I simply didn't have the money to pay it. When I did, I paid it, and opted to take traffic school for it as well.

However, this whole suspension situation cannot humanly be confused for a proper execution of justice. Nobody in their right mind could say, with a straight face, given all the facts, that this is just. If you look at it on paper, it looks like I shuffled off a ticket for running over an old lady, and after countless collection calls and letters, I got my license suspended. It doesn't imply that the ticket was for riding a scooter without a helmet. It doesn't imply that I was never given the information I needed. It doesn't tell anyone anything about the situation. So anyone that looks at it, sees some irresponsible prick for a driver. That's why I can't get a job. Because insurance companies, the slimeball shit that businesses choose for their liability purposes, now look at me as an irresponsible driver, for an occurrence on my record that occurred before I even began driving.

That is not justice.

I'm not even looking for advice here anymore; obviously there is none to be had here. I will never forget the lesson that this taught me: not that I should pay my tickets on time (that's a secondary lesson though), but rather that everyone should be deathly afraid of the traffic court and DMV, and that American justice is severely flawed in ways I never would have expected... exemplified by the idea that there are somehow people in the world that honestly believe that the "justice" served to me for what I did could be considered "justice".

Meanwhile, I'm changing focus in my life thanks to this. Instead of pursuing yet another worthless minimum wage job and pissing away my skills, I'm going after enrolling in college; something that doesn't require driving for a company with barbaric insurance regulations. You think I should take up a course in the legal system?
(Oh, and yeah, I'm 22 and I got C's and D's in high school. Can't you tell by my writing?)

You don't get to choose which laws you obey.

It doesn't work that way.

Good luck in college.

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I don't believe FalconFour has an aversion to authority. I believe he is just now developing one due to experiencing this very flagrant miscarriage of justice, but I don't believe he has one now.

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By the way, the definition of a miscarriage of justice is when the law is different for different people based on a factor outside the crime committed.

In this case, everyone whom ignores a minor traffic ticket will, eventually, have their license suspended until they take care of it.

If it happens to everyone, then it is not a miscarriage of justice.

Lastly, really think about this. If the DMV couldn't suspend your driving priviledges if you ignore traffic tickets, why would anyone ever pay them? That ability gives our traffic laws their teeth.

For instance, would the OP have ever taken care of this without it? What bothers friend Falcon is that he just realized that someone IS the boss of him... and he has to do what they say.

That is toughest on young adults.... you get used to being your own boss that you forget that you still have rules.

Oh well.

Falcon,

I think it is wonderful that you have decided to pursue higher education! I am an older student and would highly recommend doing it sooner rather than later. (although I am enjoying the legal classes I am taking immensely.)

It's quite possible you have a very high IQ AND did not do well in high school. Happens all the time. (don't ask me how I know THAT one!);)

And yes, you are being punished for being irresponsible. You blew off a ticket that you did not have the money to pay. You forget about it, and eventually paid for it. I have had to learn that lesson over and over in my own life, which is why I (and the others here who may have experienced similar situations) we tried to help you learn it the "easy" way, rather than the hard way.

Let us know which courses you decide to take, and how you're doing.

Good luck!

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Falcon,

And yes, you are being punished for being irresponsible. You blew off a ticket that you did not have the money to pay. You forget about it, and eventually paid for it.

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FalconFour, before you go, remember the lapse in judgment this individual is preying. Remember the fact that him and the law are telling you that the riding of an 8-MPH scooter without a helmet is sanguine and safe for the state legislature to send your license into suspension and your person to court collections to finalize the payment of $500.
And you still have the offense--not not wearing a helmet--the offense of assuming that riding an electric scooter without a helmet would result in an equal punishment such as the Judge reading you the dangers of riding a scooter without a helmet--of dealing with a suspended driving privilege, a fine nearing $1,000 and very little chance of you ever finding work that involves driving...
...All because the state legislature says that those kids who drive a scooter without a helmet are dangerous, heinous criminals unworthy and undeserving of having a privilege to drive an actual motor vehicle...

Years from now, do not view your situation now of that of the young punk, too irresponsible to take care of a well-deserved citation that had to be paid off with all speed; rather, view your current situation as that of a young person in the unfortunate and unlucky situation of getting a mere glimpse into the judicial system that is designed for the sole purpose of procuring money at the taxpaying citizens expense. After all, when you are through with this, you will have spent around $500 and have a permanent stain on your driving record that no lawyer can erase.

And it's all because you rode your 100-watt electric scooter outside the confines of your driveway without a helmet.

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By the way, the definition of a miscarriage of justice is when the law is different for different people based on a factor outside the crime committed.

In this case, everyone whom ignores a minor traffic ticket will, eventually, have their license suspended until they take care of it.

If it happens to everyone, then it is not a miscarriage of justice.

Lastly, really think about this. If the DMV couldn't suspend your driving priviledges if you ignore traffic tickets, why would anyone ever pay them? That ability gives our traffic laws their teeth.

For instance, would the OP have ever taken care of this without it? What bothers friend Falcon is that he just realized that someone IS the boss of him... and he has to do what they say.

That is toughest on young adults.... you get used to being your own boss that you forget that you still have rules.

Oh well.

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You would be very well-suited for a position in the KGB. Or, the Chinese Red Army, as a lower-ranking officer.

You have no business in the United States.

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You would be very well-suited for a position in the KGB. Or, the Chinese Red Army, as a lower-ranking officer.

You have no business in the United States.

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QFT.

it says i need to put in 10 characters... huff

That's not what it means in the forums I go to...

Pm, the first sentence in your response to me is unintelligible, and the rest of it rhetorical malarky.

Oh, and this "guy" is very much a female, thanks.

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QFT.

it says i need to put in 10 characters... huff

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Please note that your partner in reason is now banned from this site.

Time to cowboy up, accept your responsibilities, and move on.

Geez, stop being a baby about this and pay your fine.

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Geez, stop being a baby about this and pay your fine.

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You are very, very bad at reasoning. I already mentioned several times that the suspension is taken care of as far as the extent humanly possible. There is nothing further I can pay or bribe to resolve the suspension being on my record in the past (which is what I can't get a job for). My license is valid and in good standing. I paid the scooter fines as soon as I actually knew about it. Is that seriously what you believed? That I'm pissed that they suspended my license over the scooter ticket and I still didn't want to pay?

English, man... read the whole post, digest the whole post, then shoot your keyboard off like you're the king of the world. Is that so hard to follow that sequence?