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  • 09-17-2008, 02:45 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting cyjeff
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    Personally, I have no more adversion to my child being used as bait in this very safe sting operation than I would to her dialing 911 if she sees a crime.

    Having my daughter under the watchful eye of the police as she attempts to buy cigarettes is a heck of a lot safer than her and her friends walking around at the mall.

    Good point!

    - carl
  • 09-17-2008, 03:37 PM
    kist
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
    Pssst that's not a sting, this is a sting.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/04/...omen-in-parks/
  • 09-17-2008, 03:45 PM
    blueeagle
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting kist
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    Pssst that's not a sting, this is a sting.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/04/...omen-in-parks/

    No, that's a disgrace to the American justice system. And police wonder why they have such a bad reputation. NEWS FLASH!!!
  • 09-17-2008, 03:54 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting kist
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    Pssst that's not a sting, this is a sting.

    http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/01/04/...omen-in-parks/

    Interesting that there appears to be no affiliation between the girl in the story and the police ... and, of course, the guy who whipped his dong out in the park ... hmmm ...

    But, since the ABC story does not even exist anymore, all we can do is hypothesize. And, the website in question DOES have a serious editorial bent ... "bent" may be the operative word there (if you read some of the other articles, anyway).

    - Carl
  • 09-17-2008, 05:44 PM
    kist
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
    Yes, I knew the story so just grabbed one of many pages on it. I read a little of that site after the fact and it is a little "off." The gist of it is both the police and the girl say they did not collaborate but that means they used the girl as unwitting bait which I'm not sure is any better.

    But on the other hand I have called the police because of homosexuals in our local park. (at the time I told the police "you have to beat 'em off with a stick." and couldn't figure out why they were laughing.
    I don't know.
    I'm almost afraid to stop at an interstate rest area to pee for fear I'll be arrested for 'holding a penis.'
  • 09-17-2008, 06:48 PM
    cissycicle
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting kist
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    Yes, I knew the story so just grabbed one of many pages on it. I read a little of that site after the fact and it is a little "off." The gist of it is both the police and the girl say they did not collaborate but that means they used the girl as unwitting bait which I'm not sure is any better.

    But on the other hand I have called the police because of homosexuals in our local park. (at the time I told the police "you have to beat 'em off with a stick." and couldn't figure out why they were laughing.
    I don't know.
    I'm almost afraid to stop at an interstate rest area to pee for fear I'll be arrested for 'holding a penis.'

    Would you be "holding a penis" because the water is too cold?
  • 09-17-2008, 07:12 PM
    M'sta Mikey
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting cissycicle
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    Would you be "holding a penis" because the water is too cold?

    Oh, that's too easy. I'm going to have to pass on that one ;)
  • 09-17-2008, 09:36 PM
    M'sta Mikey
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting selmo
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    I think anyone feels that the minors are interested in buying tobacco products, but I haven't seen one yet.

    If you don't/haven't worked in the convenience store business, it's highly doubtful that you will ever witness this type of transaction. Trust me, it happens more often than not!
  • 09-18-2008, 11:21 AM
    cloudnine
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
    This may be a little OT, but workers should definitely know to card someone if they look even remotely young. When I bartended, I even carded people that looked like they were 30 just to be sure. Everyone at the bar knows to card anyone and everyone that looks under 40 even if they put up a fuss. And it just so happened that on my night off, the girl working sold a pack of cigarettes to a guy whom she said "looked over 30". Guess what, he was only 16! (those kids these days... hormones must be working overtime!) Even my boss said he wouldn't have carded him.

    Then again, I've caught kids trying to drink in the bar by bringing in their own alcohol. There was a family reunion that came one night with maybe 25 people. There were a bunch of adults sitting in a circle right on the other side of the bar when I saw a kid (no older than 16) lift a beer can to his mouth. We don't sell cans, and none of us served him. I went to his side of the bar where he immediately tried to hide it between his legs. I told him to cough it up NOW. His dad laughed and told him he should have hid it better. Find out a few minutes later, that dad of his (who let him bring that beer in here, mind you) is a state trooper. I'm not ripping on cops, just this one. What in the sam hill did he think he was doing?! Not only did he put the bar at risk (fine and more), but also me (fine and possibly jail time) who from the start knew not to serve his underage child! I told him as much and all he did was laugh at me. I tell you, some people really burn my biscuits! :mad:

    The point of my loooong rant is that if the people behind the counter are responsible enough to check before they sell, then there shouldn't be any problem, although sometimes it's out of their hands. Hmm... not too much of a point...
  • 09-18-2008, 11:34 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Tobacco Stings and Use of Minors
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    Quoting cloudnine
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    This may be a little OT, but workers should definitely know to card someone if they look even remotely young. When I bartended, I even carded people that looked like they were 30 just to be sure. Everyone at the bar knows to card anyone and everyone that looks under 40 even if they put up a fuss. And it just so happened that on my night off, the girl working sold a pack of cigarettes to a guy whom she said "looked over 30". Guess what, he was only 16! (those kids these days... hormones must be working overtime!) Even my boss said he wouldn't have carded him.

    Many convenience stores here now have a device attached to the register that will not allow the transaction for alcohol or cigarettes to take place if a valid state ID is not scanned in to verify the age. It takes the onus off the clerk, and still requires everyone to have valid ID.

    Some bars have a similar policy at the door - they scan the ID for age before even allowing someone in.

    When I tended bar (and ran one) would require everyone to show me ID on the first round regardless of what their age appeared to be ... it saved hassles if I require everyone to provide ID. Some elderly patrons grumbled, but they did it.

    Quote:

    Find out a few minutes later, that dad of his (who let him bring that beer in here, mind you) is a state trooper. I'm not ripping on cops, just this one.
    I'd have reported him ... but that's me.


    - carl
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