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  • 03-20-2008, 09:33 AM
    snowbunnie07
    What Is Considered An "Alcohol Container"?
    State: North Dakota


    I would like to know what everyone's opinion is on what is considered an "alcohol container"

    most importantly...do you consider a shot glass an alcohol container?
  • 03-20-2008, 09:43 AM
    4eyedbuzzard
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
    That depends. A shot glass that I'm not recently drinking out of, no. A shot glass that I'm drinking out of, yes.
  • 03-20-2008, 09:49 AM
    snowbunnie07
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
    I am talking about a shot glass that was just sitting on my shelf...as a decoration.
  • 03-20-2008, 09:55 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
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    I am talking about a shot glass that was just sitting on my shelf...as a decoration.

    What was the circumstance?

    In other words, how did you come to be cited or arrested, and what was the code section you were charged with?

    Very often the definition may very as to the context in particular section of the code.

    - Carl
  • 03-20-2008, 10:10 AM
    4eyedbuzzard
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
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    I am talking about a shot glass that was just sitting on my shelf...as a decoration.

    No. And I think you can make a pretty good legal argument seeing as how shotglasses are sold everywhere as souveniers, are also used for purposes other than drinking, and may be legally purchased by minors. My daughter uses one to soak jewelry in.
  • 03-20-2008, 10:23 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
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    No. And I think you can make a pretty good legal argument seeing as how shotglasses are sold everywhere as souveniers, are also used for purposes other than drinking, and may be legally purchased by minors. My daughter uses one to soak jewelry in.

    I suspect there is something more to this story ... I just don't see any cop walking into a room and citing someone for having an open container for having an empty shot glass on the wall. Maybe this involves a school policy, a room and board issue, who knows? Since we have no context, there is no way to say whether this is unreasonable or not.

    - Carl
  • 03-20-2008, 10:30 AM
    4eyedbuzzard
    Re: What Is Considered An "alcohol Container"?
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    I suspect there is something more to this story ...

    As opposed to all the other stories posted in this forum? ;) :rolleyes: :D
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    I just don't see any cop walking into a room and citing someone for having an open container for having an empty shot glass on the wall.
    Nor do I.
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    Maybe this involves a school policy, a room and board issue, who knows? Since we have no context, there is no way to say whether this is unreasonable or not.
    - Carl
    I also somehow suspect a school or private policy issue here.
  • 03-20-2008, 09:37 PM
    snowbunnie07
    Re: What Is Considered An "Alcohol Container"?
    it was a room check in a dormitory...i have read the terms of agreement signed upon moving into the dorms. it says that no alcohol or alcohol containers are permitted in the dorms. that is all that is mentioned.
  • 03-20-2008, 09:55 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: What Is Considered An "Alcohol Container"?
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    it was a room check in a dormitory...i have read the terms of agreement signed upon moving into the dorms. it says that no alcohol or alcohol containers are permitted in the dorms. that is all that is mentioned.

    So ... this is a matter you will have to take up with the university's appeal board, correct? (or whatever administrative panel they have embodied to hear these things)

    Were you charged with a criminal offense, or was this simply an administrative matter?

    If you were charged with a criminal offense, what specific code section were you cited or arrested for?

    - Carl
  • 03-20-2008, 10:14 PM
    4eyedbuzzard
    Re: What Is Considered An "Alcohol Container"?
    I think you have a situtation which is one of those black and white gray areas.;)

    I think I would consider the entire situation. What is the proposed punishment? If minor, I think I'd make less of a stink about it and try to get past it without making waves. If severe, I think I'd fight it no end including hiring an attorney if necessary.

    On its own a shot glass isn't an alcohol container. My teenage daughter has a collection of close to 100 of them as travel souveniers and she doesn't drink. None of them were sold with alcohol in them. Neither are mugs or steins.

    An alcohol container by definition and in the context they are using it would tend to be viewed as a vessel regularly used for storage of alcohol such as a beer can, wine bottle, etc. I think applying that standard to glassware such as a shot glass or mug is a rather absurd stretch. Any glass or mug could be viewed as a potential alcohol container in that sense.
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