About a month ago a 12 yr old Child family member was with another family member by marriage, He tried to rape the child but she got away from him and ran. She was picked up and brought home where she told what happened. They took her to the police to report the crime, while there her older sister confessed that the same person raped her on her 14th Bday at gun point 6 months ago and that he told her that if told anyone he would Kill her. We have since learned that This guy been in Jail in AR for Child sex offences and had fail th register in MO where this is going on and he lives and that he also raped his then 12 yr old niece 2 years ago and told her the same thing which she just now told about. The Police have not charge or arrested him at all and are doing nothing. Locasl turned it over the the state and the state is saying it has been too long and the only thing they could charge him with is Child endangerment if they charge him at all. He has also threated to kill all 3 girls since they have reported the crimes. This guy has since fled the state and it is unknown where he is at this time. The question is what are the option to get this guy behide bars before he rapes another child or worse kills one? Mo is the state of the crimes :wallbang:
Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
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02-10-2008, 01:18 PMKuyong_ChuinChild Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
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02-10-2008, 01:39 PMblueeagleRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
Well i can tell you right now they could still charge him to the fullest extent of the law. A month is nothing. I think you just have a case of lazy imcompedent police officers. I would suggest getting a lawyer and threating to sue the PD unless they investigate this horrible crime.
Off the record. Get a gun and take some self defense classes. If this pervert come back around, you will be prepared to defend yourself. -
02-10-2008, 01:46 PM4eyedbuzzardRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
I can believe the local police dumped this on the state, but I can't believe the state just let it go. Sworn rape complaints and death threats from a convicted sex offender/felon? Something doesn't add up...
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02-10-2008, 01:53 PMblueeagleRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An ArrestThis happens all the time in my neighborhood. The worst perverts in my town are not even on the list. Thats why I keep a 50 caliber ready at all times.Quote:
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02-10-2008, 02:56 PMKuyong_ChuinRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An ArrestBecause of the time between the rapes and the reports they lack the DNA from the girls but the idiots are to stupid to try to collect the possible evidence in the car where one of the rape occured. I feel helpless myself to not be able to do more than research to see what can be done due to myself being disabled. :wallbang:Quote:
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02-10-2008, 04:21 PMcdwjavaRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
Has anyone asked the local police why they aren't able to pursue the matter?
Proof, people - the state (whether it be a local prosecutor or the Attorney general) needs proof to obtain a criminal conviction. I see a lot of allegations, but no proof. There may be tons of proof here, but I can think of a number of arguments as to why the local police or the state have been unable to act ... not the least of which is the suspect appears to be unavailable.
Since we do not know what the police know or do not know, we can guess all day long.
let me just say this: The cops ARE hot to get rapists - particularly child rapists! There is no cop I have ever come across in my career that would not hunt a child rapist to the ends of the earth if he had cause to do so! So, if the cops are NOT pursuing the matter as diligently as you might like, I strongly suspect it is out of a lack of evidence, leads, or some legal hurdle and NOT due to a lack of will.
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02-10-2008, 04:31 PM4eyedbuzzardRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
Where's Paul Kersey when you need him...
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02-10-2008, 05:40 PMaardvarcRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An Arrest
Police typically can't just go out and arrest someone right after taking a report. If the crime didn't happen in the officer's presence (which many crimes don't), or the offender isn't present (which he's not), police usually have to take the report and request a capias (arrest warrant) from a judge. For all we know, there's a warrant sitting there just waiting to be served.
And we don't know that the police just "dumped" the case on the DA....no case goes to trial UNTIL the police turn over the results of their investigation to the state, so this isn't just the police washing their hands of it...it's them doing their part and passing it up the chain for the state to do it's part.
If you have a victim advocate (either through the police department or through the DA's office, or both), periodically ask them to check for you to see if warrants have been issued. Or, depending on your county,you might check yourself at:
http://www.ancestorhunt.com/missouri-most-wanted.htm
If you have the reporting agency's case number, it also couldn't hurt if you contacted AR's probation/parole offices (870-267-6999) to inform them of the additional police reports. The more places with warrants out for him, the better, and the additional reports might trigger additional activity in AR as far as his probation/parole status.
While you're waiting for the investigation/arrest/prosecution process to continue, and/or the perp to be found, be sure that you apply for Missouri's Crime Victim Compensation program. This can help pay for counseling, which the children in this case DESPERATELY need. Please don't skip this step - these victims are statistically at super high risk for depression, PTSD, suicide attempts, and hyper-sexual activity at a young age, among other things. See:
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02-10-2008, 09:31 PMKuyong_ChuinRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An ArrestAs for the suspect being unvailable, he was till the 5th of this month, then took off after he got his "check" He was never questioned at all. There isn't any DNA evidence from the two girls due to the time that has passed but they have been tested and there is proof that they both have had intercourse. There is other proof on the rape of the first girl which may or may not can be used due to it comes from his wife. He made her watch the rape of the 12 yr old and told her he would kill her as well if she told. She did tell the police after all this came out and she found out she could be charged wth a crime as well, but as since recanted it. So we are now back to the word of 2 girls that were raped and 1 that he attepted to rape against his word. All we get out of the police is all we could charge him with is child endangerment and having a firearm "If they can find him with it" We have been wondering if we should call the FBI's CAC unit or contact the press to get some action. This guy is not going to get away with raping these kids and just get a max of 7 years is found guilty of the child endangerment and the weapons charge.:wallbang:Quote:
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02-10-2008, 09:46 PMcdwjavaRe: Child Rapist Getting Off Free Without Even An ArrestOkay. They had not questioned him yet. That likely means they were still putting the case together.Quote:
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Do the police also say they have never spoken to him?
Proving intercourse is NOT the same as proving forcible rape.Quote:
There isn't any DNA evidence from the two girls due to the time that has passed but they have been tested and there is proof that they both have had intercourse.
This adds a difficult wrinkle to the case.Quote:
There is other proof on the rape of the first girl which may or may not can be used due to it comes from his wife. He made her watch the rape of the 12 yr old and told her he would kill her as well if she told. She did tell the police after all this came out and she found out she could be charged wth a crime as well, but as since recanted it.
That can make the case difficult.Quote:
So we are now back to the word of 2 girls that were raped and 1 that he attepted to rape against his word.
You are free to contact whomever you wish. But, the police can only prove what they have evidence to support. The DA (the state) can only prosecute a case that has evidence. if the police have turned over what they have to the DA and even the DA agrees they lack sufficient evidence to prosecute, then there is a problem with the case.Quote:
All we get out of the police is all we could charge him with is child endangerment and having a firearm "If they can find him with it" We have been wondering if we should call the FBI's CAC unit or contact the press to get some action.
Note that the FBI would be unlikely to get involved as this is a state case. There might be a hook as the suspect has apparently fled the jurisdiction, but that would tend to require the local agencies (law enforcement or DA) actively seeking him.
What you "know" or what you "believe" is not the same as being able to prove the case in a court of law. very often even the police "know" more than they can prove. But, it's not about what we know or believe, it is about what can be proven.
I suspect if they say the best they can do is child endangerment, it is because they cannot show rape or molestation, but they can show endangerment.
I cannot speak to the nature or quality of the investigation, or to the nature of the laws in your state. I CAN say with a great deal of certainty, though, that no police agency is going to let a child rapist get away with the crime if they can prove it. I have seen cases like this that take YEARS to develop simply because they just do not have enough to prosecute. Remember, once they make the arrest and go to trial, that's it - that's their shot. If they fail, he is free. It is always best to have the best possible case you can before you are forced to trial.Quote:
This guy is not going to get away with raping these kids and just get a max of 7 years is found guilty of the child endangerment and the weapons charge.
- Carl