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  • 10-31-2007, 07:16 PM
    toshiba
    Should I Plead Guilty Even Though I Didn't Do It
    i'm due in court soon..what would be best..should i plead guilty even if i didn't do it..the reason..i don't have funds to hire a lawyer..if i plead what would be the result..accused of shoplifting from employer even though i didn't do it..they say they have it on tape..can i request the evidence..help!!
  • 10-31-2007, 07:18 PM
    panther10758
    Re: help
    If you plead guilty the discovery process is not availalbe. As k for public defender and request video through discovery process. Once you and your Attorney have viewed video you can discuss plea options
  • 10-31-2007, 07:39 PM
    toshiba
    thanx
    this is a new experience for me "a bad one"..so i'm pretty nervous..will there be jail time or anything like that after plea bargain..thanks a lot for replies..
  • 10-31-2007, 07:44 PM
    panther10758
    Re: help
    Any plea bargain you agree to should not have jail involved I would think. First offense shoplfit rarely carrys jail time even without a plea bargain
  • 10-31-2007, 07:53 PM
    toshiba
    Re: help
    the crime i'm accused of is embezzlement less than $100...any rough idea of the outcome..
    thanx a million..
  • 10-31-2007, 07:58 PM
    panther10758
    Re: help
    Discuss this with your Attorney but I would say

    . Fines less than $500.00
    . Community service
    . Probation
    . Ban from store
    . Criminal record

    Also unrelated to court Civil Demand around $200.00

    Your Attorney can give you better idea s he/she is familar with how courts treat these crimes normally
  • 10-31-2007, 08:11 PM
    toshiba
    thank you very much
    panther10758..thank you soooo veeerrrrryyyy much!
    you help is very much appreciated.
  • 11-01-2007, 01:38 AM
    750.356
    Re: help
    Can you explain why in God's name you would consider pleading guilty if you didn't do anything?

    It's the state's burden to prove you're guilty. How are they going to do that if you honestly didn't do anything?

    Do you suspect your employer is fabricating video evidence?
  • 11-01-2007, 06:48 AM
    panther10758
    Re: Should I Plead Guilty Even Though I Didn't Do It
    As I stated earlier request a Public Defender and then seek video through discovery process. If the video does not exist or does not show you participating in theft you have a good start to your defense
  • 11-01-2007, 08:22 AM
    redtoy92
    Re: help
    Quote:

    Quoting 750.356
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    Can you explain why in God's name you would consider pleading guilty if you didn't do anything?

    It's the state's burden to prove you're guilty. How are they going to do that if you honestly didn't do anything?

    Do you suspect your employer is fabricating video evidence?

    sounds like they did it! Funny how that works.
  • 11-01-2007, 09:59 AM
    justicecruiser
    Re: help
    Quote:

    Quoting redtoy92
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    sounds like they did it! Funny how that works.

    Because they are exceptional at scaring the bejeezus out of you by telling you what will happen if you don't! My boyfriend's in this situation right now. Don't plead guilty if you didn't do it! It's not worth it. Probation sets you up to fail and you'll be worse off if they give it to you. If you didn't do it, make them prove you did. Take your chance with aquittal! My boyfriend didn't have the money to go to trial and the DA told him he would get years in jail if he didn't plea...or he could plead guilty and do 5 years probation. Of course, he took the probation and now his PO is trying to screw him over and send him to prison although he is 100% compliant. Don't let them scare you if you're innocent! Know your rights and stand up for them! Be careful and good luck.
  • 11-02-2007, 09:03 PM
    redtoy92
    Re: help
    your right.. if you DID NOT DO IT THEN FIGHT IT WITH ALL YOU GOT> But 99% of the time that is not the way it is.
  • 12-04-2007, 10:53 PM
    usedbranflakes
    Re: Should I Plead Guilty Even Though I Didn't Do It
    What I learned from the below personal experience was this:
    If you can afford to fight something where you are in the right and a judge or jury will be convinced, do so.
    You can not afford to not flight something.
    Rules in civil procedure and criminal procedure are significantly different.
    Trust your attorney that you pay good money for.
    Before settling or pleaing out, allow your attorney to go through the discovery process.

    I had a disorderly arrest nearly 10 years ago with a dismissal. The DA was offering 6 months probation and 30 hours litter pickup. I spent some money and got an attorney. The D.A. was too busy to return our discovery request and we had to do it on our own at our own cost. After discovery the attorney showed me where I was innocent and we went to trial. The D.A. did not show in court but the officer did. The judge agreed that if I didn't sue the officer for false arrest or cause the officer any more trouble (I filed a complaint for false arrest before retaining a lawyer and noted to my lawyer that malicious prosecution against the DA was next) he would dismiss the case at my next court date. Discovery was the difference between right and wrong and it was clear in the officer's report, what witnesses noted, and what the officer's partner had noted in the complaint (Officer M----- had a bad day) that I was innocent.


    Many years ago my lawyer talked to me about discovery during a lawsuit that my company was involved in. We were being pressured to settle by the alleged leinholder outside of the legal process. During the discovery process for the materialment lein my attorney told the other attorney (he and the other attorney were judge pro temp in a small town) that he recieved the discovery information and they did not have $h##. He and the other attorney agreed that there was not enough to warrant a lien but his client wanted to push forward. My company filed a suit in the tens of thousands against this aircraft mechanic alleging many things that made my head spin. The other guy dropped his claim quicker than a red hot coal and he settled with me versus me settling with him.


    My lesson:
    If you are innocent spend the money to hire an attorney!
    If you are guilty, hire an attorney to broker a deal. Though you pay taxes that pay the DA, the DA is not your friend. The plaintiff's counsel is not your friend. About 95% of the time their job is to make you settle or plea out.
  • 12-05-2007, 10:04 AM
    Ace Hole
    Re: Should I Plead Guilty Even Though I Didn't Do It
    I am betting Toshiba wrote and signed a confession.

    Get a public defender. Doesn't cost a thing.
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