Real words versus slang words.

Shouldn't a real last name (not a made up last name) be valid for and have the full faith and credit of such public acts as license plates and driver's licenses? That surname already appears as a public act on a driver's license.

Here is a link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20966693/?GT1=10357

I didn't repost due to an updated version of the copyright.

but it will not be mistaken as a derogatory term when viewed on the drivers license but could be seen as such if read on a license plate.

It would be a misunderstanding, of course, but it's kind of hard to explain that to somebody as they are driving down the road.

What about the point of view, that the full faith and credit of a public act, should be fully, and faithfully applied by, even the public; even if only to the extent to verify the fact before reaching a subjective value judgment?

daniel, do you have a problem with common sense?

this has nothing to do with :

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the full faith and credit of a public act,

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people can and will mistakenly see the plate as something other than a real name and some of them will find it offensive. The state has every legal right to deny the use of any name or word they find may be found offensive by others.

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Quoting jk

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...daniel, do you have a problem with common sense?....

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You have to ask?

By the way, ALL words are made-up words.

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daniel, do you have a problem with common sense?

this has nothing to do with :

people can and will mistakenly see the plate as something other than a real name and some of them will find it offensive. The state has every legal right to deny the use of any name or word they find may be found offensive by others.

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I can only have a problem with common sense, and the law; if the law is required to have common sense. Since that is not the case, I don't see this as an issue of common sense.

Are you implying that a public sector of a state issuing a license to drive on public roads, is not a public act? Can you explain how it is a private act, if done by a public sector?

I would agree with your position in the case of an arbitrarily made up name, for the purpose of being offensive towards other people.

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Quoting seniorjudge

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By the way, ALL words are made-up words.

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Yes, but not all words are as transitory as slang.

As to the the family in the article, I have to honestly say that I am apparently one sheltered person. I never knew the word "dink" in any form could be viewed as offensive/deragotory. I thought "dink" referred to a less than large description, such as the "dinky skating rink".

Who has the time to think up the meanings of these words? Lord, I've been offending small things all my life and never knew it. Sigh....I guess I'll have to go to confession.:D

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As to the the family in the article, I have to honestly say that I am apparently one sheltered person. I never knew the word "dink" in any form could be viewed as offensive/deragotory. I thought "dink" referred to a less than large description, such as the "dinky skating rink".

Who has the time to think up the meanings of these words? Lord, I've been offending small things all my life and never knew it. Sigh....I guess I'll have to go to confession.:D

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I always thought it was the noise made when my older brother flicked me in the forehead when he thought I did or said something stupid:o...and when I do it now to my younger step-bros:p

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I always thought it was the noise made when my older brother flicked me in the forehead when he thought I did or said something stupid:o...and when I do it now to my younger step-bros:p

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That TOO!!!! :D

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I always thought it was the noise made when my older brother flicked me in the forehead when he thought I did or said something stupid:o...and when I do it now to my younger step-bros:p

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No, I think that is either "thunk" or "thwap".

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I would agree with your position in the case of an arbitrarily made up name, for the purpose of being offensive towards other people.

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but that IS the point Daniel. How is anybody that does not know the driver of the car is actually named Udink know that the plate is not meant to offend.

THEY DON'T.

That is why the state does not allow such terms used.

just think of Mr. Dumas. There was a commercial with the kid interviewing for a job and continually calling the guy Mr. Dumbass. See how simple it can be mistaken to be something it isn't?

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No, I think that is either "thunk" or "thwap".

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It depends on exactly how annoying you wish to be when thumping.

You thump (that makes the "thunk" sound) and every time you make contact, you say, "DINK" in a high pitched voice. It's amazing how much more fun it is to terrorize younger siblings when you add in the sound effects.:D:D

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No, I think that is either "thunk" or "thwap".



but that IS the point Daniel. How is anybody that does not know the driver of the car is actually named Udink know that the plate is not meant to offend.

THEY DON'T.

That is why the state does not allow such terms used.

just think of Mr. Dumas. There was a commercial with the kid interviewing for a job and continually calling the guy Mr. Dumbass. See how simple it can be mistaken to be something it isn't?

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I think you are comparing apples and oranges. The (lineage of the) surname has probably been around for a lot longer than the slang meaning.

Anybody who read Dumas would not be confused and neither should anyone who bears any responsibility (and resources) of the apparatus of the state. Isn't the burden of proof on the public sector? Since when do slang words qualify in a court of law for legal purposes?

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Anybody who read Dumas would not be confused

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Really? The why am I always correcting those that mispronounce the name of my parents' hometown? Yep, they grew up in Dumas.

Wuddup tho? Any dawgs wanna check out my ride. It's fulla bling bling. My homie from the crib offer me a G fot it. Any of you cuz wanna beat that? You know what I'm saying?

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Wuddup tho? Any dawgs wanna check out my ride. It's fulla bling bling. My homie from the crib offer me a G fot it. Any of you cuz wanna beat that? You know what I'm saying?

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Now see? GONG should recieve a citation for distrurbing my peace!:D

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Really? The why am I always correcting those that mispronounce the name of my parents' hometown? Yep, they grew up in Dumas.

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It may be because you missed the sarcasm, if they weren't smiling.

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It may be because you missed the sarcasm, if they weren't smiling.

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No, I don't think that's it, considering I have heard it mispronounced on my local news cast.

Keep on trying Daniel. Eventully, either the brick wall or your head will give way. It's a toss up to see which will be first. :wallbang:

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No, I don't think that's it, considering I have heard it mispronounced on my local news cast.

Keep on trying Daniel. Eventully, either the brick wall or your head will give way. It's a toss up to see which will be first. :wallbang:

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Maybe they never read the Three Musketeers; or are they pronouncing it in pidgin Spanish?

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
- John Adams

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Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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....and neither can you.:p

So, Dannyboy, how do YOU pronounce Dumas? (quick, without looking up the pronunciation.)

Whenever I find a surname and am unsure of the pronunciation, I ask this guy. I'm not sure why, but he seems quite sensitive to the issue.

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Whenever I find a surname and am unsure of the pronunciation, I ask this guy. I'm not sure why, but he seems quite sensitive to the issue.

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Gee...I just can't imagine!:D

Wazzup Uncle Aaron? You straight? Ya know wa I'm sayin'? ;)

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....and neither can you.:p

So, Dannyboy, how do YOU pronounce Dumas? (quick, without looking up the pronunciation.)

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I pronounce it with the accent on the first syllable in both English, and Spanish. I may be wrong in my pronunciation in Spanish.

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Wazzup Uncle Aaron? You straight? Ya know wa I'm sayin'? ;)

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Of course I know what you're saying.

And I'm flattered.

But you're not my type.

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I pronounce it with the accent on the first syllable in both English, and Spanish. I may be wrong in my pronunciation in Spanish.

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Ahhh, but there is more than one way to pronounce the second syllable. For instance, Dumas, TX is pronounced EXACTLY as it is spelled. (DOO-mus). However, the name is commonly pronounced (Doo-MAH). However, I also know of the pronunciation of (duhm-AHS). So, as you can see, it's really NOT that big of a stretch that someone would unknowingly pronounce that word incorrectly.

I also have dealt with someone with the last name ****es. Read carefully and pronounce it very carefully. The daughter wound up changing her name.

know of a doctor with the name Koch. several pronunciations possible but my doctor got a kick out of it when he realized there is a urologist with that name and said, "I can see why he went into urology".

I actually do not know anybody that pronounces it that way but....

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Ahhh, but there is more than one way to pronounce the second syllable. For instance, Dumas, TX is pronounced EXACTLY as it is spelled. (DOO-mus). However, the name is commonly pronounced (Doo-MAH). However, I also know of the pronunciation of (duhm-AHS). So, as you can see, it's really NOT that big of a stretch that someone would unknowingly pronounce that word incorrectly.

I also have dealt with someone with the last name ****es. Read carefully and pronounce it very carefully. The daughter wound up changing her name.

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Wouldn't a more correct spelling of your pronunciation be Dumass?

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Wouldn't a more correct spelling of your pronunciation be Dumass?

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Now, gee....that's the whole point of your thread, isn't it?

Mistaken pronunciation/meaning taken from easily misread spellings and common words.

By the way, it is the ahhhh sound, not aaa (as in apple), so no, the spelling should NOT be as you post.

Thank you for making everybody else's point.

Good job.

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Now, gee....that's the whole point of your thread, isn't it?

Mistaken pronunciation/meaning taken from easily misread spellings and common words.

By the way, it is the ahhhh sound, not aaa (as in apple), so no, the spelling should NOT be as you post.

Thank you for making everybody else's point.

Good job.

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And, how does your fallacy of non-sequitur relate to the full faith and credit of public acts; especially, when in the form of a drivers license and license plate?

Thanks for making my point, again.

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And, how does your fallacy of non-sequitur relate to the full faith and credit of public acts; especially, when in the form of a drivers license and license plate?

Thanks for making my point, again.

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Rather, what does your question have to do with the full faith and public acts?

Bottom line; if the licensing agency believes anybody make mistakenly believe a vanity plate is an undesireable comment in any way, they have the legal authority to refuse to issuse such plate, or if already issued and brought to their attention, rescind the issuance of said plate.

It has nothing to do with the fact it is a true name or not.

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Of course I know what you're saying.

And I'm flattered.

But you're not my type.

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You misunderstood me.

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You misunderstood me.

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Sure. And the cop misunderstood Larry Craig. ;)

Good one. LOL :)

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Rather, what does your question have to do with the full faith and public acts?

Bottom line; if the licensing agency believes anybody make mistakenly believe a vanity plate is an undesireable comment in any way, they have the legal authority to refuse to issuse such plate, or if already issued and brought to their attention, rescind the issuance of said plate.

It has nothing to do with the fact it is a true name or not.

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Only that the public sector agency involved, did not; and does not, have a problem with issuing a form of identification based on that name, and not requiring an individual change their name due to public sector (policy) interference, because it may deny and disparage an individual's surname.

How does adding a number after a surname make it any worse?

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Only that the public sector agency involved, did not; and does not, have a problem with issuing a form of identification based on that name, and not requiring an individual change their name due to public sector (policy) interference, because it may deny and disparage an individual's surname.

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you are correct.

the license shows the true name that is known to be factual to all that may view the license. There can be no such assumption with what is printed on a license plate since it not need be a name, let alone the owners name.

again, allowing individual interpretation of what is written.

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you are correct.

the license shows the true name that is known to be factual to all that may view the license. There can be no such assumption with what is printed on a license plate since it not need be a name, let alone the owners name.

again, allowing individual interpretation of what is written.

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And, your point is? Even a car license plate is a form of identification (for legal precedent purposes) and a public act, for use on public roads.

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And, your point is? Even a car license plate is a form of identification (for legal precedent purposes) and a public act, for use on public roads.

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daniel, find a large rock or a very large tree. Stand in front of either one and quickly and repeatedly place your forehead againt ths object of choice.

When you come to your senses, come on back and read why you are just plain wrong.

A PERSON CAN CHOSE TO PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT (as long as allowed) ON THEIR LICENSE PLATE. THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY ON THEIR DRIVERS LICENSE. Therefore, a person viewing the license plate has no idea if the word written is actually their name or there is some other meaning to what is written on the plate.

I suppose if the license bureau limited vanity plates to actual legal name only, your argument would make some sense. Since what is written on the plate is limited only by what the agency perecieves as an improper term, the limitations are warranted and have nothing to do with identification of a specific person. The only identification the license plate provides is that that specific term or combinations of numbers is registered to a particular person.


I'm done with this one.

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daniel, find a large rock or a very large tree. Stand in front of either one and quickly and repeatedly place your forehead againt ths object of choice.

When you come to your senses, come on back and read why you are just plain wrong.

A PERSON CAN CHOSE TO PUT WHATEVER THEY WANT (as long as allowed) ON THEIR LICENSE PLATE. THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY ON THEIR DRIVERS LICENSE. Therefore, a person viewing the license plate has no idea if the word written is actually their name or there is some other meaning to what is written on the plate.

I suppose if the license bureau limited vanity plates to actual legal name only, your argument would make some sense. Since what is written on the plate is limited only by what the agency perecieves as an improper term, the limitations are warranted and have nothing to do with identification of a specific person. The only identification the license plate provides is that that specific term or combinations of numbers is registered to a particular person.


I'm done with this one.

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Your entire point would make much more sense, if the issue in question, were not based on a surname and a number; and. the full faith and credit of such public acts, on public roads.