'Right to Work' and Right to Employment

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Quoting aaron

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So we're on the same page - $2,000/week as a bare minimum for doing nothing. If other people want to be stupid and work for less money, that's their problem.

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You are welcome to present the reasoning for your conclusions.

Where do you get market based metrics for your economic model?

How would you apply that form of public policy in practice?

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Quoting danielpalos

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That would depend on the official weights and measures of forms of poverty due to lack of income.

My model utilizes the current poverty rate and current unemployment rate as a basis for metrics.

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There is no "depends" (unless you are in the adult diaper section). I want numbers. Based on current society, what is the number you propose?

You never did answer how these people are going to pay for their medical expenses either. How about answering that one while you are at it.

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Quoting jk

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There is no "depends" (unless you are in the adult diaper section). I want numbers. Based on current society, what is the number you propose?

You never did answer how these people are going to pay for their medical expenses either. How about answering that one while you are at it.

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You are welcome to use the current minimum wage and current unemployment and poverty numbers.

My answer to your question on health care is in that thread.

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Quoting danielpalos

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Anecdotal evidence suggests that people are already engaged in a market friendly form of that policy, simply by being on public sector unemployment rolls.

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No, you are proposing an entirely dfferent system. There is no anecdotal evidence because there is nothing relative to your proposal.

Where is the cash coming from?

Show us the savings.

If you cannot do this, then you cannot claim any truth in your proposal. If you cannot prove it, then you cannot argue it would be beneficial in any way.

It's time for an answer Daniel.

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Quoting danielpalos

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You are welcome to use the current minimum wage and current unemployment and poverty numbers.

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are you claiming that whatever current unemployment rates are adequate to deter the masses from seeking income from other sources?

Show us what that income would be and compare it to the current cost of living. Of course, each states UI rate is different so maybe you could at least use an average figure.

Now, don;t forget to figure in an retirement situation. DO these payments continue until death?

Are we going to be able to go to Europe on the level of pay you propose? Can I buy a new MB 560 SEL?

Now, since UI is currently supported by employer payments, since there would be no more UI thus no more employer payments, where is the funding to come from now?

Show us the current employer contribution to the UI system and then give us a couple of ideas as to how you are going to replace those funds.

New taxes? If so, what are you going to tax? At what rate?

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Quoting jk

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No, you are proposing an entirely dfferent system. There is no anecdotal evidence because there is nothing relative to your proposal.

Where is the cash coming from?

Show us the savings.

If you cannot do this, then you cannot claim any truth in your proposal. If you cannot prove it, then you cannot argue it would be beneficial in any way.

It's time for an answer Daniel.

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I am not sure how you reached your conclusion. Public sector unemployment facilities already exist. At-will unemployment would simply reduce forms of barriers to entry for that type of public good.

So, now that you have this system in place, will there be penalties for earnings recieved from other sources?

Is there ANY qualifications to recieve this or is it simply your for the askling?

What about injuries? Since we are now effectively employed by the governemnt, will we be able to claim workmans compensation if I fall off my horse while playing polo? Will that suspend my claim for your UAW (unemployment at will. Isn;t that funny how those inititals are also the initital of one of the countries largest unions?)?

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Quoting danielpalos

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I am not sure how you reached your conclusion. Public sector unemployment facilities already exist. At-will unemployment would simply reduce forms of barriers to entry for that type of public good.

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No, you claimed your idea would be cause a savings for everybody. The problem is they are supported by employer contributions based upon the amount of hours worked by an employee. Since you are removing this system, that money would no longer be available.

Show me the money.

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Quoting jk

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are you claiming that whatever current unemployment rates are adequate to deter the masses from seeking income from other sources?

Show us what that income would be and compare it to the current cost of living. Of course, each states UI rate is different so maybe you could at least use an average figure.

Now, don;t forget to figure in an retirement situation. DO these payments continue until death?

Are we going to be able to go to Europe on the level of pay you propose? Can I buy a new MB 560 SEL?

Now, since UI is currently supported by employer payments, since there would be no more UI thus no more employer payments, where is the funding to come from now?

Show us the current employer contribution to the UI system and then give us a couple of ideas as to how you are going to replace those funds.

New taxes? If so, what are you going to tax? At what rate?

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I am not sure I understand your position from an at-will employment doctrine point of view.

Are you against at-will forms of employment in states that have at-will employment laws?

The goal of this policy would be to have zero percent "official" unemployment and poverty related to a simple lack of income.

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Quoting danielpalos

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I am not sure how you reached your conclusion. Public sector unemployment facilities already exist. At-will unemployment would simply reduce forms of barriers to entry for that type of public good.

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Are you claiming the current average level of UI payments would be adequate to deter everybody from seeking income from other sources? Where do you live Dan? Never Never land?

You have still failed to offer any source of funding for this idea.

If you want us to take you seriously, you are going to have to show proof for your idea. If you cannot do that, you are simplly giving everybody a loas of crap. Is that what you are doing Daniel. I hope not because I don;t like people that BS me. I would not appreciate being lied to.

So, just make me feel better and show me the savings and where the funds will come from.