Re: Am I at Risk if I Unknowingly Was Included on a Fraudulent W-2 Form for Rental Ap
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But regardless, unless he somehow participates in the crime he is not guilty of committing a crime as page1067 states he would be. That was my point.
When did I state that?
Let's review what I actually wrote.
"[T]the fact that she has tangentially involved you definitely puts you at risk."
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"Now that you know what she has done, if you fail to expose it and continue your relationship with this criminal, you will make yourself complicit in her conduct." I subsequently stated that "may" may have been a better word than "will."
I then wrote that, because "[t]he OP's girlfriend has involved the OP in her crime . . . now that the OP knows about it, he/she is at risk if he/she fails to do anything about it."
I also wrote a couple of other things like how the analogy you made was absurd, but that's beside the point.
Nowhere did I write that the OP has committed a crime. Being "complicit in her conduct" is not the same thing as committing a crime.
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well, I can’t suggest the guy rat out his girlfriend for something like this.
I have a very hard time believing you lack this ability. More likely, you are choosing not to do so.
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When did I state that?
Let's review what I actually wrote.
"[T]the fact that she has tangentially involved you definitely puts you at risk."
and
"Now that you know what she has done, if you fail to expose it and continue your relationship with this criminal, you will make yourself complicit in her conduct." I subsequently stated that "may" may have been a better word than "will."
I then wrote that, because "[t]he OP's girlfriend has involved the OP in her crime . . . now that the OP knows about it, he/she is at risk if he/she fails to do anything about it."
I also wrote a couple of other things like how the analogy you made was absurd, but that's beside the point.
Nowhere did I write that the OP has committed a crime. Being "complicit in her conduct" is not the same thing as committing a crime.
I have a very hard time believing you lack this ability. More likely, you are choosing not to do so.
touche. Yes, I could actually suggest the guy rat out his girlfriend but my statement was not referring to a physical capacity. When a person says they can’t do something, it often is meant in a metaphorical way more than whether one actually has a capacity to perform the act. I am really starting to doubt your credentials. Anybody with much sense would understand it was said in the figurative sense rather than the literal sense. I guess that explains your inability to perceived the rhetorical question i posed earlier. I thought you were deeper than this (again, just so you know, metaphorical, not literal).
This is your statement
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Now that you know what she has done, if you fail to expose it and continue your relationship with this criminal, you will make yourself complicit in her conduct.
will or may doesn’t change the statement such that it removes a claim the op would be committing a crime should they not report the activity. Your statement is that unless he reports it, and for some reason you have also required the continued association with the woman which for,the life of me I can’t figure out how that would be a requisite for any possible crime involved, he will or may (depending on the version ofmthe statement ) make himself complicit in her conduct.
Obviously none of what you stated is true.
Knowing does not make him complicit
remaining with her doesn’t make him complicit
failing to report the subject activity doesn’t make him complicit
nor may those actions make him complicit, in a legal liability sense.
it would require some other action, and actually require none of the issues you stated, to make the guy complicit in her actions.
But im simply baffled by your statement that remaining associated with the woman would have anything to do with whether the guy has committed a crime. Now, maybe you know something I don’t. It is generally accepted that felons are are at least urged if not outright barred from associating with other known felons. Are you aware that the op is a felon and prohibited from associating with other known felons? Would that apply even before or even if she is not convicted? Curious minds want to know.
Re: Am I at Risk if I Unknowingly Was Included on a Fraudulent W-2 Form for Rental Ap
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well, I can’t suggest the guy rat out his girlfriend for something like this.
Perhaps you wouldn't do it, but I would. Indeed, if I were in the OP shoes I'd let the landlord know what was going on, probably right after I dumped the girlfriend. I've seen what happens when people get involved with others who have no trouble lying to get what they want. Sooner or later that liar will lie to their lover/spouse, too. Trusting someone whom you know to be a liar is foolish. If you think that person will never lie to you, then you have the additional problem that you are deceiving yourself.
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I would probably counsel the person and tell them how bad of an idea it is. Sometimes people’s intentions are great but the execution sucks. Without knowing the people it may be as much poor judgment as it is a true intent to lie. Ive seen parents do all sorts of stupid things to help their kids.
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I would probably counsel the person and tell them how bad of an idea it is. Sometimes people’s intentions are great but the execution sucks. Without knowing the people it may be as much poor judgment as it is a true intent to lie. Ive seen parents do all sorts of stupid things to help their kids.
I have a very hard time believing that someone who creates a false W-2 with the name of a fictitious employer and fills out the rental application listing that fictitious employer as the son's current employer does not understand that what she is doing is lying and dishonest. That's not just "poor execution" or poor judgment. There are some things that I'd put in the category of simply poor judgment, but this is well over the line to dishonesty and fraud.
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Wouldn't most landlords call to verify employment anyway?
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Wouldn't most landlords call to verify employment anyway?
The landlord might do that. But remember, the girlfriend gave a false employer and gave the OP's name and number as her son's supervisor at this fictitious company. So when the landlord calls the OP, the question is what will he tell the landlord? Will he actively lie and be a part of the fraud by playing the part of the supervisor? Or if not that, will he instead give answers that help conceal what she did, and thus possibly commit a crime by the concealment? Or will he tell the truth: that the company doesn't exist and that he's not the son's supervisor?
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Well, I would tell the truth and that my EX girlfriend falsified the document.
At least the OP knows such a call may be coming, versus getting blindsided.
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Giving false information on some rental applications. Can be grounds for eviction.
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The landlord might do that. But remember, the girlfriend gave a false employer and gave the OP's name and number as her son's supervisor at this fictitious company. So when the landlord calls the OP, the question is what will he tell the landlord? Will he actively lie and be a part of the fraud by playing the part of the supervisor? Or if not that, will he instead give answers that help conceal what she did, and thus possibly commit a crime by the concealment? Or will he tell the truth: that the company doesn't exist and that he's not the son's supervisor?
Hopefully, for his sake, he will state that he has no knowledge of what the caller is talking about...whether he breaks up with his girlfriend or not.