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  • 01-04-2019, 11:49 AM
    mannyonthastreetz
    Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California

    I got a camera ticket (right turn on red). It was mailed to me as (clearly) the driver of my spouse's car, but I am NOT the registered owner (spouse is). Does anyone know what happens in that case? I have jury duty next week and don't know if the court checks potential jurors for outstanding tickets. I keep reading conflicting information that LA County will not pursue consequences, which Culver City is in, and just to ignore it. Others say CC is really strict and will pursue it, though I'm not sure how. Thanks in advance.
  • 01-04-2019, 12:07 PM
    pg1067
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    I got a camera ticket (right turn on red). It was mailed to me as (clearly) the driver of my spouse's car, but I am NOT the registered owner (spouse is). Does anyone know what happens in that case?

    Not really sure I understand the question. If it is clear from the photo that you were driving and ran the light, then pay the ticket or take traffic school.


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    I have jury duty next week and don't know if they check such things.

    You having jury duty has nothing to do with your red light ticket. Also, who are "they"?


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    I keep reading conflicting information that LA County will not pursue consequences, which Culver City is in, and just to ignore it. Others say CC is really strict and will pursue it, though I'm not sure how.

    Not sure what you're getting at or what "will not pursue consequences" might mean. Again, if you don't deny the crime, then pay the fine.
  • 01-04-2019, 07:29 PM
    Chuck77
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    My question involves a traffic ticket from the state of: California

    I got a camera ticket (right turn on red). It was mailed to me as (clearly) the driver of my spouse's car, but I am NOT the registered owner (spouse is). Does anyone know what happens in that case? I have jury duty next week and don't know if the court checks potential jurors for outstanding tickets. I keep reading conflicting information that LA County will not pursue consequences, which Culver City is in, and just to ignore it. Others say CC is really strict and will pursue it, though I'm not sure how. Thanks in advance.

    In Los Angeles County you can disregard red light camera citation, they will not pursue you. If you get a follow-up certified letter from them, do not accept it. Refuse it. If you do accept it then you are on the hook for the citation.

    The LA Courts have neutered the police from prosecuting these citations, but be sure to not give them proof that you have been served.
  • 01-05-2019, 03:36 PM
    acai
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    Let them kick rocks, they can't do anything to you.
  • 01-05-2019, 04:26 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    If they sent the cite to you and not to the registered owner, they clearly identified YOU as the driver.

    What happens when they get a cite that does not match the R/O is they compare the image to other drivers in the residence. Clearly that is what you did.

    Keep in mind that you ignore a citation at your own peril. Failure to respond can ultimately result in a suspended license and even a warrant for your arrest (though, not initially as an FTA based upon a mailed citation cannot result in an arrest).
  • 01-05-2019, 06:49 PM
    Chuck77
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    If they sent the cite to you and not to the registered owner, they clearly identified YOU as the driver.

    What happens when they get a cite that does not match the R/O is they compare the image to other drivers in the residence. Clearly that is what you did.

    Keep in mind that you ignore a citation at your own peril. Failure to respond can ultimately result in a suspended license and even a warrant for your arrest (though, not initially as an FTA based upon a mailed citation cannot result in an arrest).

    I take it that you are either not aware of the Los Angeles Superior Court ruling on the enforcement of red light camera citations or you (and others) just don't care to advice folks on how to beat the police on one of their most lucrative cash cows.

    Hmmm, Btw - Why didn't you tell me that I was wrong about LA Courts? It's not always what you say, rather what you do not say.
  • 01-05-2019, 11:14 PM
    BornYetAgain
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    As in many things, there’s always “local knowledge.” CDWjava is 500 miles away from LA County while the TV stations and newspapers in LA County are in a good position to have local knowledge, and those that have been bold enuf to say something have told us that red light camera tickets from Beverly Hills, City of Commerce, Covina, Culver City, Hawthorne, the MTA, Montebello and West Hollywood can be ignored - so long as one resists the temptation to contact the court. How to find links to what TV and the papers have written? Do a search on red light camera ticket culver city and scroll down to the hits from the LAWeekly and NBC.
  • 01-06-2019, 03:08 AM
    cdwjava
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    I take it that you are either not aware of the Los Angeles Superior Court ruling on the enforcement of red light camera citations or you (and others) just don't care to advice folks on how to beat the police on one of their most lucrative cash cows.

    Oh, I'm very aware. I am also aware that it is NOT wise to tell people to ignore a legal document since that can lead to rather dire consequences. And since this POLICY of the court can change on a whim, and with declining court revenues due to fewer misdemeanors and infractions being filed and pursued, the courts have an incentive to reverse this decision and it could land a lot of people in very hot water if they heed bad advice.

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    Hmmm, Btw - Why didn't you tell me that I was wrong about LA Courts? It's not always what you say, rather what you do not say.
    Not sure what you're asking. If you're asking why I don't gleefully tell people to ignore legal process, see the reply above.

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    As in many things, there’s always “local knowledge.” CDWjava is 500 miles away from LA County while the TV stations and newspapers in LA County are in a good position to have local knowledge, and those that have been bold enuf to say something have told us that red light camera tickets from Beverly Hills, City of Commerce, Covina, Culver City, Hawthorne, the MTA, Montebello and West Hollywood can be ignored - so long as one resists the temptation to contact the court. How to find links to what TV and the papers have written? Do a search on red light camera ticket culver city and scroll down to the hits from the LAWeekly and NBC.

    It's hardly a matter of "local knowledge" when the info is so widespread. But, it is poor advice to tell people to ignore a legal process that can have dire results. All because YOU might be willing to roll those dice does not mean that others are. Policies are whimsical and can change on a dime.
  • 01-06-2019, 08:53 AM
    Chuck77
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    Oh, I'm very aware. I am also aware that it is NOT wise to tell people to ignore a legal document since that can lead to rather dire consequences. And since this POLICY of the court can change on a whim, and with declining court revenues due to fewer misdemeanors and infractions being filed and pursued, the courts have an incentive to reverse this decision and it could land a lot of people in very hot water if they heed bad advice.

    If the LA Court policy on this changed we would immediately know about it. Actually, the Courts and Media would likely broadcast that change far in advance of its implication as to expedite the willful paying of these citations in an effort to not clog the courts with failure to appears and warrants. So your above reason for not telling them does not hold water. Moreover, there are other legal ways to beat this same citation that you (and others) will not tell the OPs either.

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    Not sure what you're asking. If you're asking why I don't gleefully tell people to ignore legal process, see the reply above.
    Who said it would be "gleefully" given? You are unbiased, aren't you? Further, you would not be "ignoring the legal process." You would be informing the OPs OF the current legal process.

    You are a good writer but sometimes very transparent with your unwillingness to help these people.
  • 01-06-2019, 11:20 AM
    mannyonthastreetz
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    Would be interested to know what other legal ways there are to beat the citation that aren't being mentioned....

    Thank you to all who responded, currently I am IGNORING this thing. $500 is absurd when in other states the fine for not stopping on a red to turn is like $50.
  • 01-06-2019, 05:15 PM
    Chuck77
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    If the LA Court policy on this changed we would immediately know about it. Actually, the Courts and Media would likely broadcast that change far in advance of its implication as to expedite the willful paying of these citations in an effort to not clog the courts with failure to appears and warrants. So your above reason for not telling them does not hold water. Moreover, there are other legal ways to beat this same citation that you (and others) will not tell the OPs either.

    Who said it would be "gleefully" given? You are unbiased, aren't you? Further, you would not be "ignoring the legal process." You would be informing the OPs OF the current legal process.

    You are a good writer but sometimes very transparent with your unwillingness to help these people.

    Correction: 'implementation'
  • 01-08-2019, 12:58 PM
    acai
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    You are a good writer but sometimes very transparent with your unwillingness to help these people.


    It's pretty obvious to me which side he's on. But I've already known this from all the bad advice he gave me concerning my own case in 2017. He tried to convince me that the vehicle code which ultimately helped me win wasn't relevant to my case even though the judge agreed with me that it was. He further tried to discourage me from fighting the ticket by claiming I needed surveys and professional clock takers to win my case when all I needed was a video of the traffic light violating this code.

    I swear most of these people giving advice here are paid trolls who would like nothing more than all of us to bend over to Big Brother and pay up.
  • 01-08-2019, 01:30 PM
    zeljo
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
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    It's pretty obvious to me which side he's on. But I've already known this from all the bad advice he gave me concerning my own case in 2017. He tried to convince me that the vehicle code which ultimately helped me win wasn't relevant to my case even though the judge agreed with me that it was. He further tried to discourage me from fighting the ticket by claiming I needed surveys and professional clock takers to win my case when all I needed was a video of the traffic light violating this code.

    I swear most of these people giving advice here are paid trolls who would like nothing more than all of us to bend over to Big Brother and pay up.

    I don't think they're paid. They would, however, like us all to "bend over to Big Brother and pay up." Why? Well, there's all kinds of people under the sky. Don't waste your time pondering that.
  • 01-09-2019, 12:28 AM
    BornYetAgain
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    Manny asked if there's other ways to beat these tickets. Here's a few.

    1. In California some police departments send out fake red light camera tickets (Snitch Tickets) which are designed to get you to tell them the name of the actual driver of the car. Snitch Tickets are described in Cal. Veh. Code 40518, which requires that at the top of the page they must say, “Courtesy Notice, This is Not a Ticket.” Despite that totally clear message - that the Snitch Ticket is a fake and thus can be ignored - many people respond and tell the police who was driving the car! (And then the police send that person a real ticket.)

    2. It is widely known that in San Mateo County (tickets from Daly City, Millbrae, Menlo Park, and the City of San Mateo) you can get a $100 discount off the fine by going to an in-court arraignment session and entering your guilty plea there.

    3. It is worthwhile to look at your ticket to see if it was served on time. Most tickets will contain a statement by the person who put it in the mail. If the ticket was mailed more than 11 or 12 days after the date of the violation, it was served too late and you can “demur” to it and make it go away. That deadline is in CVC 40518 and CVC 23.
  • 01-09-2019, 10:02 AM
    Chuck77
    Re: Culver City California Red Light Camera Ticket, Not My Car
    Also, per code, the photo must clearly identify the driver. My traffic lawyer beat my red light citation that way. He told the prosecutor that if he chose to proceed with the charges, he would make the citing officer pick me out of a six-pack lineup. He immediately dropped the charges.

    Police do not follow the law when bringing these charges against us. They often take advantage of us just like criminals do...looking for a weakness and seizing the moment for the possibility of a gain.
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