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  • 11-04-2018, 10:19 AM
    Ray Crocker
    Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    My question involves criminal law for the state of: Virginia

    Here's the deal:

    I am a 38 year old guy, old enough to be a teenager's parent.

    I have been temporarily out of work for the past month due to a fire at my workplace we are projected to be able to return to work the week after Thanksgiving.

    As a result, I have been looking for day gigs on craigslist such as moving help, drywall etc to gain a little extra money to hold me over so I don't have to draw from savings. I was looking today and I came across a kind of a post that I wasn't expecting. It was offering $200 for a light skinned caucasion old eough to be a 16 year old's parent who is willing to play a fake parent for a meeting, and was vague other than that.

    I emailed the poster, and he replied with the following details:

    1. He is a high school junior, 16 going on 17, and has a car and a part time job.

    2. This coming Tuesday is a student holiday and a parent teacher conference day at his school. He described the process at his school. No appointment neccesary, meetings are held in the teachers classroom, and any parent who wants to meet with any of their kids teachers simply shows up at that teachers classroom and a 15 minute conference is held on a first come first serve basis.

    3. The kid has not been doing his math homework, although his test scores are high so he expects to still have a decent grade on his report card. His math teacher this past week asked him if his parents will be attending conference day, and the kid lied and said yes. His teacher then informed him that the upcoming conference day is the only reason she hasn't called home about him. So the kid knows that if his parents don't show up, his math teacher will call home and he will likely lose car priveleges.

    That's where I come in.

    On tuesday around 10am, he wants to meet me in the school parking lot. He pays me $100 up front. Then we go into the school together and go to the classroom. I introduce myself using whatever alias he wants me to use, claiming to be the dad.

    And I meet with his teacher, hear her complaints, and tell the kid I am disapointed in him and assure the math teacher that consequences will be enforced at home.

    Then we exit the building, he gives me the other $100, and we part company. The teacher is satisfied, the kids parents don't find out, I made the easiest $200 I ever made, and the beat goes on.

    1. Could I get into any legal trouble for this?

    2. If so, is there any way I could realistically be caught? Afterall, how does the teacher know I'm not his dad?
  • 11-04-2018, 11:07 AM
    Guybrush
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    Try this...

    Yes, you can be found out - there is already a record of electronic communication between you two.


    Code of Virginia § 18.2-371

    18.2-371. Causing or encouraging acts rendering children delinquent,abused, etc.; penalty; abandoned infant.

    Any person 18 years of age or older, including the parent of any child, who(i) willfully contributes to, encourages, or causes any act, omission, or condition which renders a child delinquent, in need of services, in need of supervision, or abused or neglected as defined in 16.1-228, or (ii) engages in consensual sexual intercourse with a child 15 or older not his spouse, child, or grandchild, shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. This section shall not be construed as repealing, modifying, or in any way affecting 18.2-18, 18.2-19, 18.2-61, 18.2-63, 18.2-66, and 18.2-347.

    If the prosecution under this section is based solely on the accused parenthaving left the child at a hospital or rescue squad, it shall be anaffirmative defense to prosecution of a parent under this section that suchparent safely delivered the child to a hospital that provides 24-houremergency services or to an attended rescue squad that employs emergencymedical technicians, within the first 14 days of the child's life. In orderfor the affirmative defense to apply, the child shall be delivered in amanner reasonably calculated to ensure the child's safety.

    (Code 1950, 18.1-14; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1981, cc. 397, 568;1990, c. 797; 1991, c. 295; 1993, c. 411; 2003, cc. 816, 822; 2006, c. 935.)
  • 11-04-2018, 12:37 PM
    cbg
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    You're an idiot to even consider it, and the kid is even more of an idiot to think it would work.
  • 11-04-2018, 12:58 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    There is no way this will work. You do not know things about this kid that his parents know. The kid cannot tell you their parents perspective on things. It is not worth taking the chance. Teachers are not stupid.
  • 11-04-2018, 01:11 PM
    Ray Crocker
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    @mercy&grace: Teachers might not be stupid, but if she has never met his parents, and I'm old enough to be his parent (21/22 years older than him) then how does she know I'm not his dad?
  • 11-04-2018, 01:14 PM
    Taxing Matters
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
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    1. Could I get into any legal trouble for this?

    Yes.

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    Quoting Ray Crocker
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    2. If so, is there any way I could realistically be caught? Afterall, how does the teacher know I'm not his dad?

    Yes. For example, you might fail to answer questions the teacher knows about the parent, or the parent may end up contacting the school later and then your impersonation would be exposed. The $200 you get from it isn't worth the fall out that could result as a result of it. Find work to do that does not involve deception and impersonation.
  • 11-04-2018, 01:52 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
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    @mercy&grace: Teachers might not be stupid, but if she has never met his parents, and I'm old enough to be his parent (21/22 years older than him) then how does she know I'm not his dad?

    The kid has no idea what parent-teacher conferences are like. You do not know the right things to ask or say. Neither does the kid. It takes much more than showing up and saying you're his dad.

    Other teachers know the parents. What makes the kid think other teachers will not know you are not the parent ? Teachers talk and they do not stay in their classrooms. You do not know how to act like a parent. Let alone this kids parent. You have no way of knowing if everything the kid says is the truth.
  • 11-04-2018, 02:19 PM
    cbg
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    I have no sympathy for this kid. It's about time he learned that actions (or inactions, in this case) have consequences. If he loses his car privileges, so be it. Better he learn it now that in college, or even worse on the job when he doesn't do what he's supposed to. I don't know how you can even consider conspiring with this kid to deceive his parents about something they have a right to know.
  • 11-04-2018, 04:03 PM
    Ray Crocker
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    @mercyandgrace I have no idea what you think acting like a parent means. I have 3 cousins, 8 9 and 10 whom I regularly babysit and take them out for activities when I do so, and I am routinely naturally mistaken for being their dad, including by other people who have kids. What's wrong with all those people and parents? Are you saying they dont make it as good parents because they think im their dad? I guarantee you would be no exception. You would not know im their cousin and not their parent until you hear them calling me something other than "dad."

    As for the kid having any idea what parent teacher conferences are like, did you ever consider that attending them with his parents before might give him an ioda of a clue what they are like? Doi.

    Don't know what to say or ask? How is my son doing? What is his average? Is he getting all his assignments done? Is there anything he needs to improve on? How is his in class conduct? His participation? His attendence? Do you have any concerns? Suggestions?

    What is it about any of those things that would cause a teacher to say "Aha! You are no parent, you are a paid actor!"

    There is no standard parent and no standard script for what all parents say or ask during conferences.
  • 11-04-2018, 04:14 PM
    doucar
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    If you have already made up your mind to commit fraud, why did you bother asking if you could get into trouble?
  • 11-04-2018, 04:18 PM
    Ray Crocker
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    @doucar, I am simply pointing out that mercy&graces ideas of fake parent detectors and standardized parent teacher conference scripts are not real things.
  • 11-04-2018, 04:36 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    You have no children. Babysitting children is not the same as being a parent. You have never been to a parent teacher conference. Let alone one conducted by this teacher. You have never been to the school. You think you are so smart. You are as smart (stupid) as the kid.

    It is a good thing you have money in savings. You will more than likely need it for a attorney. You may be asked to babysit after your relatives find out how dishonest you are. Not to mention you do not mind breaking laws. Some people cannot be trusted.
  • 11-04-2018, 04:44 PM
    Ray Crocker
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    @mercyandgrace, you did not respond to any one of my points. You do not know who is and is not a parent just by looking at them.

    I dont think the teacher is going to shine a light on me and give me a third degree interrogation about whether I'm really the parent.

    You are evidently too stupid to grasp the point. The point is, everyone thinks I am their parent until I tell them I am their Cousin, including people who are parents themselves.

    You are no different. If you saw me in public while I was with one of my cousins, you would naturally think I am their dad just like everyone else.
  • 11-04-2018, 05:07 PM
    Mark47n
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
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    @mercyandgrace, you did not respond to any one of my points. You do not know who is and is not a parent just by looking at them.

    I dont think the teacher is going to shine a light on me and give me a third degree interrogation about whether I'm really the parent.

    You are evidently too stupid to grasp the point. The point is, everyone thinks I am their parent until I tell them I am their Cousin, including people who are parents themselves.

    You are no different. If you saw me in public while I was with one of my cousins, you would naturally think I am their dad just like everyone else.

    You've clearly made up your mind as to your course of action. You should ask yourself if $200 is worth taking the risk that you are taking, however. There is no real fallout for the kid but you could be facing criminal charges.

    Being mistaken for your cousins children parent is not similar to being a parent. Your reactions will not match a parents, you won't have the proper knowledge if the teacher asks questions and if the kid interrupts too often it'll look strange.

    WE all make our choices. We all reap the rewards for those choices.
  • 11-04-2018, 05:22 PM
    cbg
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    And of course there's NO possible chance that someone who does know the kids' parents will be present on parent's night? Might walk by in the halls and ask who you are? No chance at all the the teacher has seen the parent at other parents' nights, even if there wasn't a meeting? No chance at all that the teacher might have researched the parent beforehand in order to be prepared for the meeting? You're willing to risk criminal charges on the kid's assessment of how well the teacher knows the parent?
  • 11-04-2018, 05:32 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    Wish I could look in on that conference. It will be interesting. The OP and kid are clueless. But all the kid might lose is $200 and car privileges. The OP stands to lose far more. The OP will make a bad parent. If he does not grow up. He is not mature or realistic.
  • 11-04-2018, 05:42 PM
    PayrolGuy
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    I'd be willing to bet Ray Crocker is actually the teen in question.
  • 11-04-2018, 06:42 PM
    PMMH
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    When a friend of mom or dad sees a strange man with this kid, they are going to call the parents and ask, I promise you. "Why was Johnny roaming around the school with some strange older man?" People at that school know his parents, even if the math teacher doesn't. You'll be lucky not to look like you are trying to do something inappropriate with a minor child. Accepting cash is an especially bad idea. You are opening a can of worms and when it blows up in your face, you won't have to worry about getting a job because the charges you will get hit with will keep you from being employable. No teenager is going to take the fall for you either, they will throw you under the bus faster than you can blink.
  • 11-04-2018, 08:59 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    You know nothing about this kid. He might not be a kid. He could be looking for anyone desperate for money. Even if he is what he says he is. He will have something to hold over your head until the statue of limitations run out. Of course that would be illegal. But it will not erase your actions.
  • 11-04-2018, 11:41 PM
    RJR
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
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    Quoting Ray Crocker

    1. Could I get into any legal trouble for this?

    Guybrush already posted a probable law that will be broken, it is not practical for anyone here to scour the the complete Criminal or Educational laws of Virginia in order to make or draw any other conclusion, you can do that.


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    2. If so, is there any way I could realistically be caught? After all, how does the teacher know I'm not his dad?
    And what if a follow up letter is sent to the parents; "Dear parents of joe blow, thank you for attending the Teacher's conference, etc., etc." Hmm.
  • 11-05-2018, 09:09 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    The kids grades will not improve. This teacher will be in direct contact with the real parents soon. The conference and what was discussed will be brought up. Then the parents, teacher, school, law enforcement and school district will know what happened. Don't forget the media. You are going to need your saving for an attorney, legal fees, etc.
  • 11-06-2018, 03:02 AM
    PMMH
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    Anything involving a minor and money exchanging should be a red flag.
  • 11-06-2018, 05:35 AM
    cbg
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    After reviewing the state's laws on identity theft, while is it not likely it is also not impossible that this could be charged as well.
  • 11-06-2018, 07:04 AM
    comment/ator
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    Well, having been a teacher of high school children for a while, I would suspect Ray Crocker is the teenager, else he's woofing us. The thing that he seems to totally discount is that IF the school boy is really trying to pull this off, and IF it did actually happen, about 95% of the students in the high school would know all about that stunt that Joe Highschool pulled off by paying some dude to come in and pretend to be his father......yada yada. And eventually, the teachers would hear, and eventually your stupid butt will be given up to law enforcement ("Pervert, the kid's life is ruined!") and a whole new future awaits you. Teens try to hire people to help them kill their parents, etc. but the one thing they do not do is keep their mouths shut, not snitch on each other, and not rush to tell everyone around them all about
  • 11-06-2018, 09:14 AM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
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    Well, having been a teacher of high school children for a while, I would suspect Ray Crocker is the teenager, else he's woofing us. The thing that he seems to totally discount is that IF the school boy is really trying to pull this off, and IF it did actually happen, about 95% of the students in the high school would know all about that stunt that Joe Highschool pulled off by paying some dude to come in and pretend to be his father......yada yada. And eventually, the teachers would hear, and eventually your stupid butt will be given up to law enforcement ("Pervert, the kid's life is ruined!") and a whole new future awaits you. Teens try to hire people to help them kill their parents, etc. but the one thing they do not do is keep their mouths shut, not snitch on each other, and not rush to tell everyone around them all about

    It will not be long until it is on the internet. Teenagers think they are smarter than parents and teachers. They can't wait to tell everyone how smart they think they are.
  • 11-06-2018, 09:34 AM
    pg1067
    Re: Posing As a Minor's Parent for a School Meeting
    I really hope your post is not an indication that you're considering doing this.

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    Could I get into any legal trouble for this?

    2. If so, is there any way I could realistically be caught? Afterall, how does the teacher know I'm not his dad?

    Yes and yes.

    Here's my suggestion:

    Show up at the meeting point with a printout of the craigslist ad (don't show the kid that you have it) and obtain the money. When you get to the classroom, show the teacher the ad and explain what happened. Give the teacher the money and ask that she make sure it gets to the kid's parents.

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    Teachers might not be stupid, but if she has never met his parents, and I'm old enough to be his parent (21/22 years older than him) then how does she know I'm not his dad?

    If you're asking someone to acknowledge the possibility that you might get away with this, then yes, it's certainly possible -- maybe even likely.

    If you're telling us that you think it's ok to commit a crime simply because you might get away with it, then I don't really understand why you even bothered to post here.
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