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  • 08-05-2018, 06:16 AM
    KK1968
    The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    https://www.newschannel5.com/news/ne...deadly-pursuit

    https://www.newschannel5.com/news/ne...ht-on-body-cam

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/10/us/te...iff/index.html

    http://herald-citizen.com/stories/da...shooting,25945

    I am with little doubt several here agree with the DA on this one and would have dutifully shot the man.
  • 08-05-2018, 07:19 AM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Welcome to my world. The only comment I can make on it is that Mr. Dial was a frequent flier. He knew just exactly what he could've expected from the law enforcement community of White County if he chose to run. He would've been a lot better off if they'd let him go as they should've, but he knew this was a calculated risk, given the world they were in. I almost think he got suicidal there at the end.
  • 08-05-2018, 08:13 AM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    It is amazing that in say, England, the police manage to keep the peace without daily slaughter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21y-X0E_nLo

    no doubt this guy had them all afraid including all bystanders
  • 08-05-2018, 07:58 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I don't know much about this particular incident, but, RAMMING cars is a silly idea and not safe for the ramming officer. Not to mention that such intervention IS, inherently, deadly force given the likelihood of disaster. IF deadly force was authorized and reasonable under the law and in circumstances, then shooting would have been appropriate - and safer for the officers.
  • 08-06-2018, 07:21 AM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    This was not the person the sheriff thought was running from the deputies through his county, or the one he thought he was telling them to shoot. And he was somewhere else at the time anyway. So probably, as the court decided, the decision to shoot made by the officers was not due to the sheriff's order to shoot him, though it was given with such enthusiasm and obvious anticipation. And their decision was what the court has now decided was justified.

    We should consider what we now know, that the old boy who was running had an invalid driver's license due to many previous offenses. He had an improperly plated vehicle. He was high on meth and several other substances (doesn't everybody move furniture across several counties in that condition at seven a.m.? They do around here!) The reason he was moving was related to the fact that he and girlfriend had just lost their place to stay.

    When they tried to pull him over, he knew he was going at least back to jail and may even have had part of those drugs that were in him at the time he died not ingested yet. So he made the decision and launched a long drawn out slo mo chase, knowing FULL WELL exactly what would be likely to happen to him. He was, IMHO, taking a chance that these rookies would actually do what they were taught to do in the police academy training and let him go, so he could get somewhere, get out of the truck, call his girlfriend, hide his drugs, and swear to God he hadn't been the one driving.

    He knew he wasn't going to outrun them, but was playing the odds they'd go by the books and let him run. Then I think as the chase continued, he with his slightly impaired point of view (read the toxicology reports!) decided to just end it all by keeping on going to the bloody end. By this time he's already rammed a couple of police vehicles himself. And that is what it was, a bloody end. Suicide by cop. A sad stupid story that plays out all over the Upper Cumberland with some frequency. Our drug and prescription pain pill abuse statistics around here are some of the highest in the nation. That the sheriff, who is famously known for his mouth and his attitude, in the manner of Joe Arpaio, you know, tough on crime! was caught on record screaming, "Shoot him, shoot him, Gawd, I LUVV this job!" is nothing but one of the working conditions that those poor police officers who work for him have to put up with.

    As for the potential of the suspect being armed, okay, this is where I live, and where these deputies live and are from, okay? If you were betting, and you were a police officer, especially if you thought the guy had been the one they thought they recognized and were chasing, the chances of his being armed were something like between 99 and 100%. I didn't read whether they found a gun on the boy from DeKalb county that they did shoot, but given his past performance and current situation, chances were very good he would have one too. He knew they'd assume he was armed. Just about everyone is up here. His was the decision not to stop and lie down and have a chance to go on living.
  • 08-06-2018, 10:28 AM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    the perspectives of the majority of the public who view the actual shooting do not hinge on all the what-if's and maybe's and all the heinous things he did wrong or why's where nobody was hurt; only boiling down to the two running to him and shooting a man who posed zero threat at that time he was shot.

    The DA chose not prosecute and probably had a good chance of doing so and making it stick.

    Of course, the people would have had to pay for all sides of any such action.

    Oddie served his last term and White county's insurance has paid out quite a bit along with the people there having paid, with numerous civil rights cases pending and unresolved.
  • 08-06-2018, 11:49 AM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Tell me, KK1968, if law enforcement is chasing down Person A, but rather than just shoot him they take their time and consider whether it's absolutely necessary to shoot him at all and if so, can they shoot to wound instead of kill, and while they are making these decisions Person A shoots and kills Person B, or worse yet Persons B, C, D, E and F, what would be your response to the law enforcement's actions in that case?
  • 08-06-2018, 11:56 AM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Person A wasn't going to shoot or kill anyone in this instance so you go on applauding that he damned sure won't now since he is dead.

    Maybe you thrive on it too?
  • 08-06-2018, 12:19 PM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I didn't ask you what was going to happen in this instance. I asked you what would be your response in the hypothetical I laid out.

    For the record, I have never shot a gun, never owned a gun, do not want to own a gun, and have never knowingly been overnight in a house where a gun existed. But I do recognize the rights and the duty of law enforcement to do their jobs.
  • 08-06-2018, 01:06 PM
    Highwayman
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    The DA chose not prosecute and probably had a good chance of doing so and making it stick.

    That's speculation and your opinion, which doesn't mean much.
  • 08-06-2018, 02:41 PM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I am very sorry for this man and his family. And I am also sorry for those officers who had to make that decision, pretty much without any guidance from a responsible official, the sheriff being who he is and all. And no one wants to have to end up taking a life. It's not ever going to be something you can leave behind you easily.

    The telling thing was that, as the driver's wife said, "if he'd just gone on a little further, he'd have run out of gas." Yes, and if we're projecting outcomes, I'd bet that if he'd run out of gas and been forced to stop for that reason, he probably would've jumped out of the truck and run. But maybe, just maybe, they wouldn't have ended up shooting him. I think that sadly, he pretty much chose the outcome he got.

    The DA is a responsible person, and based on what he heard, he made the right decision. Can you sue somebody in public office for being offensive? For saying and doing ugly things that reveal them as an offensive jerk? Not really. And can you predict, from miles away, not knowing the situation, not knowing the details, simply from what you've observed and what you have learned on the job from watching people behave, exactly whether somebody is a danger or not? As I said, in this part of the world, you ASSUME, until everything else in the world tells you different, that EVERYBODY is armed. Someone who has already made the decision to let the police chase them for miles, ramming police cars, avoiding directions to stop, equals guess what? He's probably a danger, he's decided to let the cops kill him, and he might just want to take one or two of them with him. Sad, bad, but nothing to do with some of the other unjust shootings we've seen in other cities throughout the country lately.
  • 08-06-2018, 07:55 PM
    riffwraith
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    The telling thing was that, as the driver's wife said, "if he'd just gone on a little further, he'd have run out of gas."

    How does she know how much gas he had in the car? And how are the LEs supposed to know at the time they are giving chase? Sure, he's going to run out of gas eventually, but for all they know, he could have just filled up his tank, and been driving for another three hours.

    In other news....

    Why not just let him go? "well, he rammed police vehicles" Yeah - I get that. But that doesn't answer the Q. Why not just let him go, and pick him up later? I know the modus operandi is to stop the person, and maybe the LEs were going by the book - doing what they were trained to do. Maybe not - i don't know what the policy is here. But I still wonder if letting a person go in that situation is more often than not the better way to go.
  • 08-06-2018, 08:26 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Let's say they "let him go" and he later rams someone else, shoots them, robs them, or does some other heinous or criminal act? This is a question law enforcement is asked all the time ... and when they let someone go, and they prey on more victims - even killing them - the police are not praised for their brave decision to "de-escalate", but chastised for not doing their job.

    The NON-police are great at second-guessing those that actually do the job.
  • 08-06-2018, 08:39 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    Let's say they "let him go" and he later rams someone else, shoots them, robs them, or does some other heinous or criminal act? This is a question law enforcement is asked all the time ... and when they let someone go, and they prey on more victims - even killing them - the police are not praised for their brave decision to "de-escalate", but chastised for not doing their job.

    The NON-police are great at second-guessing those that actually do the job.


    But he didn't and he wasn't going to either, they knew who he was and had it out for him.

    Guess what, had the cops let him go and it was later learned he was spun out smoking arm dope and drunker than cootie brown, our post-hot-coffee extremely far right facist courts would not have found LEO even 1% liable for any damages or loss of life he caused.

    So, just keep killing anyone you can possibly imagine how they may actually do injury or harm to imaginary victims.

    When you get tired of killing (Legally MURDERING) folk, maybe snag you some minority report halos and enjoy that much cleaner power trip.

    The people don't have to be so highly trained imperial praetorian thugs to have a valid opinion based on facts they see with their own eyes tempered with a bit of common sense.

    The all-too-common mindset you present is a huge part of the huge problem and the sad part of it is, you don't see it as a problem whatsoever and are fearful of nothing other than a lil public chastising which might hurt your wittle fweelin.
  • 08-06-2018, 08:48 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    KK1968, your ignorant diatribe is not even worth responding to.

    Peace out.
  • 08-06-2018, 08:49 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    How does she know how much gas he had in the car? And how are the LEs supposed to know at the time they are giving chase? Sure, he's going to run out of gas eventually, but for all they know, he could have just filled up his tank, and been driving for another three hours.

    In other news....

    Why not just let him go? "well, he rammed police vehicles" Yeah - I get that. But that doesn't answer the Q. Why not just let him go, and pick him up later? I know the modus operandi is to stop the person, and maybe the LEs were going by the book - doing what they were trained to do. Maybe not - i don't know what the policy is here. But I still wonder if letting a person go in that situation is more often than not the better way to go.

    There is no way possible she could have even had an educated or qualified opinion as to how much gas he did or didn't have, which is absolutely relevant to his murder. Afterall, she had zero cop training so the lying hoor should keep her rope smoker shut and let those who have the esoteric and highly specialized murder training to do their jobs.

    If they said he rammed their vehicles, you can bet the farm he did and was trying to murder them all. I've never heard of a cop lying or making statements not abundantly colored with truth in my whole life. Not once, ever.

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    KK1968, your ignorant diatribe is not even worth responding to.

    Peace out.

    Excellent we feel the same way about each other. Now run along and go train more how they must shoot to kill in response to any provocation, imagined or otherwise where a creative story can be reverse engineered to justify it. Hell, they don't even need training in how to spin the yarns since our courts have lowered the bar for justification of murder by cops years ago.
  • 08-06-2018, 09:24 PM
    riffwraith
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    Let's say they "let him go" and he later rams someone else, shoots them, robs them, or does some other heinous or criminal act?

    I hear you, but here's my take - if they have no reason to believe that he is going to harm someone else, should that mentality still apply?

    I get it - you don't know. But....

    If police are chasing after someone who just shot (at) someone, then you do not let them go. Then there is reason to believe that he is going to harm someone else. But if it's a traffic stop based solely on a suspended lic., and there are no suspected weapons, is there a real true reason to suspect that this person will ram someone else, shoot them, rob them, or do some other heinous or criminal act?
  • 08-07-2018, 06:36 AM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Quote: "if it's a traffic stop based solely on a suspended lic., and there are no suspected weapons....."

    Anyone here who does not suspect weapons with EVERY person they deal with is way stupid and way off base.

    This was supposed to be a traffic stop, based on a bad license plate, and as I have said repeatedly, the man was dragging a trailer full of furniture through the county, poorly loaded, dribbling household goods around the road, quite early in the morning. Don't know where you guys are from, but around here, doing that was likely going to get you stopped by the law if they see you. Running from them when they tried to pull you over, at basically OJ Bronco chase speed was going to get you pursued. There was no minority presence, everyone was of the same general description and most everyone knows everyone else in the counties in question.

    What the cops expected to find, when this person refused to stop for the traffic stop was just what they would've found, which was no drivers license, no insurance, an improperly tagged vehicle and illegal substances in the driver or the vehicle. They expected it out of who they thought they were pursuing, and they expected it out of any random stop they'd make where the person drives away like this. As I've said repeatedly, they also expected the person to be armed as most of the people here, both felon and non felon, legally and illegally, are.

    There have been several cases in our state where officers were killed by people trying to drive through roadblocks. Those would stay on your mind while trying to stop people on the road. In fact, they'd called ahead, and at least one other attempt had been made to pull this truck and trailer over after the first stop. All the driver had to do was stop. Why didn't he? We don't know. They certainly didn't know while it was all going on.

    Don't know where you're from, or what horn you are blowing, but this situation is not what you seem to believe, you do not have a good understanding of the case or a good argument here. Contrary to what you've assumed, this is not a world where the cops are out on the streets trying to kill everybody based on the sheriff's direction. And just because there are some real loudmouth blowhard jerks who occupy positions of power around here at the present time, that does not mean every single person who has to work under them, or who is forced to listen to them feels the same way or will be guided by their disgusting nonsense.
  • 08-07-2018, 06:38 AM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I still want an answer to my question.
  • 08-07-2018, 07:04 AM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    I still want an answer to my question.

    You got an answer, volumes of case law and holdings show LEO exercising such discretionary conduct and letting a subject go <or even not senselessly executing him> would have them blameless and without liability no matter what he did after they let him go or he had served his term.

    Look, nobody involved in literally calling the shots in the Shoupe thing or the other execution also linked in post 3 were remotely akin to Sheriff Taylor aka Andy Griffith. In fact, thanks to their guerilla warfare kill-or-be-killed training, they are all far removed from those common sense and reasonable values just as several who post regularly here are.

    Why? Because our courts condone it no matter what the people think or want.

    It is very simple.
  • 08-07-2018, 09:28 AM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    No, I didn't. I want to know what would be your reaction should the situation I outlined occur. You have not responded to that.
  • 08-07-2018, 01:36 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Millions upon millions of innocent Tennesseans would have been massacred and 5,000 5th Avenue and Philidelphia civil rights law firms relentlessly working together wouldn't have been able to have gotten a dime of relief for the families of the victims or those victims hanging on by a thread and certainly not from White County or any of those that made the discretionary call, good call or bad, matters not, just like the call to senselessly execute this guy.

    More likely would be the involved govt actors suing families of the victims for the intentional infliction of mental anguish for some convoluted and obtuse asinine reason, and they would prevail.

    Kill first, ask questions later or better yet, never.
  • 08-07-2018, 02:13 PM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    You're still not answering the question. You're attempting to deflect it.

    I am not asking you what you think would happen. I am asking what your personal response would be. Would you think the cops did right in holding fire and letting someone else be killed, or wrong in holding off and having someone else killed because they didn't?

    That is the question. Answer it.
  • 08-07-2018, 02:30 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    How about you take your ignorant hypotheticals and stick them in the centerfold of your Killer Cop Trainer Daily comic book?
  • 08-07-2018, 02:51 PM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Obviously a jerk with an axe to grind and his own point of view unconfused by the facts. Maybe he should run for sheriff of White County. Wouldn't be much of a change.
  • 08-07-2018, 02:54 PM
    KK1968
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    Obviously a jerk with an axe to grind and his own point of view unconfused by the facts. Maybe he should run for sheriff of White County. Wouldn't be much of a change.

    Right, just responding in like to how I am addressed.

    There really are plenty of people on the planet that need killing, maybe yall should focus on them.
  • 08-07-2018, 06:20 PM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    How about you answer the question?

    You've been blowharding all over the place making it absolutely clear that it's far better for a cop to allow himself to be killed rather than shoot anyone no matter what the circumstances. I'm don't want to see anyone shot either but that includes innocent bystanders.

    So answer the question. Would a cop be right, or wrong, to hold his fire if holding it means that a bystander is going to be shot?

    I'm not going to stop asking until (a) the mods close down the thread or (b) you answer the question.
  • 08-07-2018, 06:41 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Your hypothetical question is too ignorant to warrant a response.

    Besides, you've made it quite clear how you train your badged killers, maybe you even thrive on it and teach that too?
  • 08-07-2018, 06:59 PM
    cdwjava
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    CBG has nothing to do with law enforcement, so you're barking up the wrong tree there.

    Besides, KK18968, you and your lack of law enforcement experience and training are in the perfect position to know what it takes to do the job and make the split-second decisions over life and death that might be necessary. Heck, maybe you should also be on a medical malpractice board so you can second guess doctors as well?
  • 08-07-2018, 07:04 PM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I work in the administrative offices of a university.

    How about this: Either answer the question, or shut your trap about how someone else should be doing their jobs. But as long as you keep it up, I'm going to keep it up.
  • 08-07-2018, 09:01 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    I work in the administrative offices of a university.

    How about this: Either answer the question, or shut your trap about how someone else should be doing their jobs. But as long as you keep it up, I'm going to keep it up.

    all you c's look alike to me so how about you gfy?

    regardless of what my background may or may not be, EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion about the conduct of their hired help, especially when it comes to executing other persons senselessly.

    you 'kill em all <based on any real or imagined threat> let god sort em out' types will end up sooner than later getting the message that the people are sick of this 24-7-365 non-stop blood lust and the idiocy rationalizing about how each and every time it damned sure was absolutely necessary, especially when it damned sure wasn't, will be your downfall

    in the mean time, I'm sure you can go find plenty of people that need to be shot in the back, armed or not, matters not, huh?
  • 08-07-2018, 11:34 PM
    riffwraith
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    Don't know where you're from

    NYC

    or what horn you are blowing

    huh?

    but this situation is not what you seem to believe

    And why don't you tell me what I believe it to be?

    you do not have a good understanding of the case

    Yes I do.

    or a good argument here.

    Not arguing; not trying to have an argument. Trying to understand.

    Contrary to what you've assumed,

    And what I have I assumed?

    this is not a world where the cops are out on the streets trying to kill everybody based on the sheriff's direction.

    Where did I imply it was?

    So, here is what I am trying to understand. Why not show some more restraint? A lot more difficult - if not impossible - to do when you have to make a SSD, and rely on muscle memory as much, if not more, then brain function.

    But in a sit. like that one, where things are unfolding a lot slower than "GUN!!!", and when trained professionals have more of an opportunity to think, why not show restraint, and say, "hey - if we let this guy go now, we take our LEs out of harm's way, plus, there is no reason to suspect he is going to harm anyone else." ? Understandably, this guy needs to face the law, but why take such an aggressive position, and have the mentality of "we have to get him NOW!" ? Guy with a gun in his car who just shot someone - yes, have to get him NOW. But the guy in the vid? C'mon.
  • 08-08-2018, 06:52 AM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    So, what you're saying KK1968, is that it doesn't matter who or how many people get shot, as long as it wasn't a cop doing the shooting. If someone else gets killed because the cops didn't bring down the shooter, that's okay with you.
  • 08-08-2018, 07:16 AM
    comment/ator
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    [QUOTE=riffwraith;1091439]Don't know where you're from

    NYC

    or what horn you are blowing

    huh?

    but this situation is not what you seem to believe

    And why don't you tell me what I believe it to be?

    you do not have a good understanding of the case

    Yes I do.

    [I
    "plus, there is no reason to suspect he is going to harm anyone else." ?


    I am from the same area where this incident occurred. Believe me, it is NOT New York City. I am acquainted with a lot of the actors in the situation, you are NOT. I gather that you are using this situation to argue that (1)cops are killers (2)all civil servants work for me and therefore should to what I, with the advantage of hindsight, think they should've done.

    And from your point of view,somebody who's driving a slow chase through the county.....repeatedly refusing to stop for the multiple police cars that have tried to stop him.......he's not dangerous, anybody can see that...As to "guy with a gun in his car (truck)" as I've told you repeatedly, anybody you stop on the road in this part of the world has VERY LIKELY got a gun in his truck. A guy who has just done the kind of chase that this guy did, DOUBTLESS is trying to commit suicide or has a real big reason he doesn't want to be stopped. In a big way, it was probably his addiction talking. If I go back to jail (had an extensive record, he did) no more of this (the drugs he was high on) for a while.

    If not for the truly obnoxious recording of the White County sheriff that made its way into the story, this would've been enacted out as it is up here with some regularity. Either he was shot, or he would've stopped, come out, laid down, hands where we can see them, and not been shot. Trust me, he knew exactly how he would've needed to act to show the deputies he was NOT a threat. He was no rookie.

    Or, his judgment being what it was at the time, he would have done exactly what it appears he was doing, he'd left it to where they pretty much were going to shoot him, and he knew that. As I have said, it almost looks like a suicide.

    And THAT is what the D.A. decided, and the TBI supported. No charges were filed against the officers. End of this story. As I said, it's tough to sue that sheriff for being a complete jerk who makes hurtful and unprofessional comments, which he is and has been. But at the end of the day, he did not cause that shooting.

    If you want to be indignant about something, be indignant about our legislature, which will not even agree to take meth making materials off the shelves, due to the money of the drug companies. Be indignant about our legislators, who support the big drug companies who sell enough pain pills in this area for every man woman and child to have thousands of them a month, and look at the wreckage that all this mess has caused in the area. Be indignant about the lack of mental health care and addiction treatment that we consistently vote for, to our own disadvantage. It's not bad policing that is our problem, it's a whole lot of economic and cultural issues that make this a sad place.
  • 08-08-2018, 10:26 PM
    riffwraith
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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    I gather that you are using this situation to argue that (1)cops are killers....

    Oh my lord. I stopped reading right there. NOWHERE in my posts do I even come close to implying that. If that's your take on what I said, then you are not someone I can have a conversation with. Not even on the internet.
  • 08-10-2018, 02:09 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    The same courts that say the man's execution was fine, despite there being no body cam shown of his last seconds, also say had they let him go, they all would have been blameless for any subsequent injury or harm he caused. That is what I am saying.

    I am saying the people are sick of this senseless sh!t and the mentality that cops display when anyone who doesn't instantly submit to their authority needs to be executed, shot in the back running or in the head while posing zero threat.

    Judge, jury and executioner kinda mentality.............the cretin sheriff ordered the execution and the morons working for him fearfully and dutifully carried out his orders instead of shooting the piece-of-shit voted-out-of-office vermin.
  • 08-10-2018, 05:38 PM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    I still would like you to answer the question I asked. If the cop holding fire means that a bystander will be killed, is the cop right or wrong to bring down the shooter?
  • 08-10-2018, 07:37 PM
    KK1968
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    ask something relevant to something real which your ignorant question fails to do by many miles in this instance.

    I still likely won't answer you because I think you're a moron.
  • 08-11-2018, 05:59 AM
    cbg
    Re: The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
    It is a very relevant question. You're decrying the use of violence by law enforcement. So are the circumstance when it is justified, or is it not? How is that not relevant?

    EJay - I'm not speaking of this specific instance. I'm trying to find out if KK would EVER think the use of force by a cop justified. Are there ANY circumstances when it is acceptable? (I will concede, and do not necessarily disagree, that it is never the preferred solution.) Or is it better for an innocent third party to lose their lives if it means that law enforcement does not have to kill?

    Does his refusal to answer what is not at all an irrelevant question simply mean he's backed himself into a corner and doesn't want to admit that yes, in some circumstances, it can be an acceptable, even if not the preferred solution for a cop to kill? Or does it mean that he really holds bystander life so cheaply that it doesn't matter what happens to them as long as he gets his way?
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