The Sheriff Ordered the Shooting
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Welcome to my world. The only comment I can make on it is that Mr. Dial was a frequent flier. He knew just exactly what he could've expected from the law enforcement community of White County if he chose to run. He would've been a lot better off if they'd let him go as they should've, but he knew this was a calculated risk, given the world they were in. I almost think he got suicidal there at the end.
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It is amazing that in say, England, the police manage to keep the peace without daily slaughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21y-X0E_nLo
no doubt this guy had them all afraid including all bystanders
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I don't know much about this particular incident, but, RAMMING cars is a silly idea and not safe for the ramming officer. Not to mention that such intervention IS, inherently, deadly force given the likelihood of disaster. IF deadly force was authorized and reasonable under the law and in circumstances, then shooting would have been appropriate - and safer for the officers.
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This was not the person the sheriff thought was running from the deputies through his county, or the one he thought he was telling them to shoot. And he was somewhere else at the time anyway. So probably, as the court decided, the decision to shoot made by the officers was not due to the sheriff's order to shoot him, though it was given with such enthusiasm and obvious anticipation. And their decision was what the court has now decided was justified.
We should consider what we now know, that the old boy who was running had an invalid driver's license due to many previous offenses. He had an improperly plated vehicle. He was high on meth and several other substances (doesn't everybody move furniture across several counties in that condition at seven a.m.? They do around here!) The reason he was moving was related to the fact that he and girlfriend had just lost their place to stay.
When they tried to pull him over, he knew he was going at least back to jail and may even have had part of those drugs that were in him at the time he died not ingested yet. So he made the decision and launched a long drawn out slo mo chase, knowing FULL WELL exactly what would be likely to happen to him. He was, IMHO, taking a chance that these rookies would actually do what they were taught to do in the police academy training and let him go, so he could get somewhere, get out of the truck, call his girlfriend, hide his drugs, and swear to God he hadn't been the one driving.
He knew he wasn't going to outrun them, but was playing the odds they'd go by the books and let him run. Then I think as the chase continued, he with his slightly impaired point of view (read the toxicology reports!) decided to just end it all by keeping on going to the bloody end. By this time he's already rammed a couple of police vehicles himself. And that is what it was, a bloody end. Suicide by cop. A sad stupid story that plays out all over the Upper Cumberland with some frequency. Our drug and prescription pain pill abuse statistics around here are some of the highest in the nation. That the sheriff, who is famously known for his mouth and his attitude, in the manner of Joe Arpaio, you know, tough on crime! was caught on record screaming, "Shoot him, shoot him, Gawd, I LUVV this job!" is nothing but one of the working conditions that those poor police officers who work for him have to put up with.
As for the potential of the suspect being armed, okay, this is where I live, and where these deputies live and are from, okay? If you were betting, and you were a police officer, especially if you thought the guy had been the one they thought they recognized and were chasing, the chances of his being armed were something like between 99 and 100%. I didn't read whether they found a gun on the boy from DeKalb county that they did shoot, but given his past performance and current situation, chances were very good he would have one too. He knew they'd assume he was armed. Just about everyone is up here. His was the decision not to stop and lie down and have a chance to go on living.
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the perspectives of the majority of the public who view the actual shooting do not hinge on all the what-if's and maybe's and all the heinous things he did wrong or why's where nobody was hurt; only boiling down to the two running to him and shooting a man who posed zero threat at that time he was shot.
The DA chose not prosecute and probably had a good chance of doing so and making it stick.
Of course, the people would have had to pay for all sides of any such action.
Oddie served his last term and White county's insurance has paid out quite a bit along with the people there having paid, with numerous civil rights cases pending and unresolved.
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Tell me, KK1968, if law enforcement is chasing down Person A, but rather than just shoot him they take their time and consider whether it's absolutely necessary to shoot him at all and if so, can they shoot to wound instead of kill, and while they are making these decisions Person A shoots and kills Person B, or worse yet Persons B, C, D, E and F, what would be your response to the law enforcement's actions in that case?
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Person A wasn't going to shoot or kill anyone in this instance so you go on applauding that he damned sure won't now since he is dead.
Maybe you thrive on it too?
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I didn't ask you what was going to happen in this instance. I asked you what would be your response in the hypothetical I laid out.
For the record, I have never shot a gun, never owned a gun, do not want to own a gun, and have never knowingly been overnight in a house where a gun existed. But I do recognize the rights and the duty of law enforcement to do their jobs.
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The DA chose not prosecute and probably had a good chance of doing so and making it stick.
That's speculation and your opinion, which doesn't mean much.