Landlord May Have Discarded Property Left by a Tenant With Consent

My question involves landlord-tenant law in the State of: New Jersey

I was renting an illegal apartment in Nj, where i knew the landlord personally through the landlord brother in law and husband. It was a two bedroom apartment with LR and Kitchen. Lived there for 5 years, upon which on the 5th year i lost work. Was unable to find work. While my finances were going down hill, my rent due was accumulating. I decided to move out of the place and created an agreement with the son of the landlord (as the landlord was always away) that i would take 25% of my belongings and leave the rest behind til i am able to get back on my feet and pay off the rent. Out of good faith with the landlord so she didn’t think I was gonna run off with what i owed. The agreement was made, relayed and acknowledged.

First year after that i was still out of work. Phone disconnected, can’t oay credit card bills. I’m at my all time low. I continued communication with the son via Facebook messenger making sure all was well with my items. I finally find work and i spent that entire year following on bills and welcoming new bills because now at this point my father his become ill to an active renal failure. I’m left the responsibility of paying all the major bills and utilities with the help of siblings as well. Altering the course of action to pay off the landlord. This has gone on for about 3 years since I got work. Finally I reached out with funds to pay off my debt and reached out to the son via Facebook since that’s how we been communicating asking him about my belongings.

He tells me all is ok and last he remembers they were being bagged. I tell him to have his mother call me and nothing. Word of mouth says that my items were thrown away. Hard to believe because there was other avenues of getting in touch with me but was not used. Of it were a matter that the items had to be removed and threat of throwing them were to be relayed to me there was plenty of way And they were not used.

I have proof of communication, I have proof that that the agreement was acknowledged. I have reasons to believe my possessions were not only thrown away but kept and given away. I am suing for $15k in civil court. I need to know if based on what I’m given is it solid enough. Forgot the technicalities. Considering I’ve known this personally and that there was a way to communicate with me that the contract is indeed breached and that i will get what is owed to me? Help me

Contract? What contract? You expected them to store your personal property without compensation all while owing them for old rent.

A contract requires consideration by both parties. I’m not seeing consideration by you in exchange for them storing your property. What it sounds like is a gratuitous bailment.

In Banks v Korman assoc the court said this;

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Our courts have said that a gratuitous bailee is liable to the bailor only for bad faith or gross negligence.

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if the bailee acted in bad faith or was grossly negligent you may have a valid claim. The communications throughout the years will be critical to proving the landlord had an obligation to you to store the property

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Quoting Senclar

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I am suing for $15k in civil court.

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On the astronomically remote chance that you win you would only be entitled to the depreciated (used) value of your belongings which is the equivalent of yard sale prices when it comes to most household goods and clothing.

Plus, you would have to prove that your list of items actually existed and you were the owner of those items. I'm guessing you have little or no purchase records.

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Quoting Senclar

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I decided to move out of the place and created an agreement with the son of the landlord (as the landlord was always away) that i would take 25% of my belongings and leave the rest behind til i am able to get back on my feet and pay off the rent.

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Was this in fact an agreement by the landlord to store the items, or an offer by you that they could be held as security for your unpaid rent?

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Quoting Senclar

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Out of good faith with the landlord so she didn’t think I was gonna run off with what i owed.

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That would only be relevant if the items were left as security for your debt.

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Quoting Senclar

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The agreement was made, relayed and acknowledged.

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Meaning what? That there is a written agreement, signed and dated by you and your landlord? If so, what does it say?

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Quoting Senclar

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First year after that i was still out of work.... This has gone on for about 3 years since I got work.

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So it has now been four years?

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Quoting Senclar

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Finally I reached out with funds to pay off my debt and reached out to the son via Facebook....

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So you have had no direct contact with the landlord for four or more years? Was the agreement that was "made, relayed and acknowledged" actually reached with the landlord, or is this some sort of agreement you negotiated with the son via Facebook that you believe the landlord approved?

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Quoting Senclar

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Word of mouth says....

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Word of whose mouth? How does this person know anything about the situation?

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Hard to believe because there was other avenues of getting in touch with me but was not used.

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That statement makes it appear that you believe the items were discarded years ago, because you stopped communicating with the landlord and made no effort to recover your property. By the same token that they could ostensibly get in touch with you, you could have gotten in touch with them.

It's not clear to me that you're going to be able to prove that the items were not abandoned. As for their value, assuming the court accepts your argument, it is correct that you can at most recover the present market value of the used items, not replacement cost.

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Contract? What contract? You expected them to store your personal property without compensation all while owing them for old rent.

A contract requires consideration by both parties. I’m not seeing consideration by you in exchange for them storing your property. What it sounds like is a gratuitous bailment.

In Banks v Korman assoc the court said this;
if the bailee acted in bad faith or was grossly negligent you may have a valid claim. The communications throughout the years will be critical to proving the landlord had an obligation to you to store the property

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It was a verbal agreement that was relayed to the son and acknowledged by the mother. She was always away so I paid most of my rest to the son. Proof of acknowledgement that the mother understood and agreed to this verbal contract was the communication she relayed over to her son to communicate with me. That’s one. Two. My sister had went over there to get some documents that belonged to her and the landlord was there overseeing her there. As if she didn’t want her to take anything, when questioned about it. She even said her self. She is holding my stuff until paid her. As far as there being proof of communication I have conversations made with the son via Facebook because at the time I didn’t have a phone. It was better that way cause at least I have a record of communication being made. The point is that at anytime if she wanted to she could contacted me. There were avenues to seek me out to let me know this stuff had to be moved. Instead she chose to steal and throw away my stuff.

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On the astronomically remote chance that you win you would only be entitled to the depreciated (used) value of your belongings which is the equivalent of yard sale prices when it comes to most household goods and clothing.

Plus, you would have to prove that your list of items actually existed and you were the owner of those items. I'm guessing you have little or no purchase records.

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I am a collector of fine fashion goods, as well as hard goods and fine art. The same way a sneaker head collects Jordan’s for resale, i had vintage John Varvatos pieces that I owned and that collected for resale, I had a full fledge photography equipment there, i had as well flat screens, refrigerator and furniture, porcelain pottery for resale. If it were just items used. I wouldnt care for 15K, an easy 5k would’ve been suffice. So there was a lot of value to the stuff not i only owned but I collected.

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I am a collector of fine fashion goods, as well as hard goods and fine art. The same way a sneaker head collects Jordan’s for resale, i had vintage John Varvatos pieces that I owned and that collected for resale, I had a full fledge photography equipment there, i had as well flat screens, refrigerator and furniture, porcelain pottery for resale. If it were just items used. I wouldnt care for 15K, an easy 5k would’ve been suffice. So there was a lot of value to the stuff not i only owned but I collected.

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You would still only be entitled to the depreciated value of most of it. If the collector's items have verifiable value and you can prove you owned them, you might get a little bit more for that.

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Quoting Mr. Knowitall

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It's not clear to me that you're going to be able to prove that the items were not abandoned. As for their value, assuming the court accepts your argument, it is correct that you can at most recover the present market value of the used items, not replacement cost.

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The mere fact we have mutual people in our lives, the communication via Facebook is what I believe is enough to show that they were not necessarily abandoned. They were nonetheless being held as collateral til the debt was paid. Understandably years went by but I have my reasons the same they could have warned me and gave me a heads up. After believing this happened I reached out to the landlord who All this time never called me I sought out for her number. Called her in which she didn’t pick up. Sent her a message via WhatsApp venting my frustration of the situation and mentioned that she violated and breached the verbal agreement. Notification shows that she read the message and did even have a rebuttal or sign of denial that there was an agreement. This as well should help support my argument in court. Everything im writing on this thread and the others are the same things I’ve shared with her. And there no denying it on her behalf. Which shows she knew she screwed up. All my possessions were not only used but were as well brand new as i collected a lot of high end fashion pieces for resale and other fine art and my photography equipment.

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Quoting Rock Knocker

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Of course you had tens of thousands of dollars of stuff there, which you just couldn't part with to pay your phone bills and back rent. I'm just surprised it was only $15K, why not thirty or forty $K of priceless artifacts.

See where I'm going with this?

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I totally see where you are going with it. The $15k is a combo of the value of the stuff owners and used. I had over 40-50 pairs of footwear that were used or brand new, 10-13 vintage leather jackets new and used that were purchased or gifted to me. I would have to have a full detailed list of these items to know how much more i would’ve gained from there. I only have a few images of them from when I was setting them up to be sold. The electronics at current value wouldnt even bring me over 15k as they are so outdated. Most of the stuff I wasn’t going to sell until maybe now or later as I needed to give them more time to be rare.

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All my possessions were not only used but were as well brand new as i collected a lot of high end fashion pieces for resale and other fine art and my photography equipment.

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If it has been sitting in bags or boxes for four years, it doesn't matter how "high end" it was at the time or that you intended to resell it -- it's four-year-old used clothing that is out-of-fashion, and is worth pennies on the dollar.

If you had $15,000 worth of inventory that you could have sold for immediate profit, you should not expect a court to find it credible that you would have left that property for a period of years instead of selling it and paying your rent debt.

In any event, good luck with your court case.

Communication with the son is not communication with the landlord unless the landlord acknowledges it to be so.

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After believing this happened I reached out to the landlord who All this time never called me I sought out for her number. Called her in which she didn’t pick up. Sent her a message via WhatsApp venting my frustration of the situation and mentioned that she violated and breached the verbal agreement. Notification shows that she read the message and did even have a rebuttal or sign of denial that there was an agreement. This as well should help support my argument in court.

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um, no, it won’t. You have no proof of any contact with the landlord. Some “read messsage” acknowledgement on WhatsApp is not proof.

What I read is there never was an agreement between you and the landlord. You never contacted the landlord. You only attemempted to contact the landlord (unsuccessfully) after you were lead to believe your personal property was discarded.

What’s really odd is you had all this valuable property yet you were so destitute you couldn’t pay your rent then and your various other debts which accrued since then. I wonder if a judge will believe you had $15k in assets yet failed to pay so many creditors. It’s also odd that you put so little value in your property that you never checked to see if it was not eaten by mice yet you claim it’s worth $15k. I doubt you’ll get a judge to believe your claims of value.

So have you calculated the debt you owe the landlord in the figure used for your suit? Just how much did you owe your landlord? If you left the property there as security against your debt, at some point she can argue she exercised her claim against the security.

Also note the duty of care the landlord was obligated to use when acting as bailee. As long as she was not grossly negligent or acted in bad faith, if the property rotted to no value she is not liable for any of the value...

and youll still owe her what you owe her.

Good luck but I’ll think you’ll walk away with nothing.

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The mere fact we have mutual people in our lives, the communication via Facebook is what I believe is enough to show that they were not necessarily abandoned. They were nonetheless being held as collateral til the debt was paid. Understandably years went by but I have my reasons the same they could have warned me and gave me a heads up. After believing this happened I reached out to the landlord who All this time never called me I sought out for her number. Called her in which she didn’t pick up. Sent her a message via WhatsApp venting my frustration of the situation and mentioned that she violated and breached the verbal agreement. Notification shows that she read the message and did even have a rebuttal or sign of denial that there was an agreement. This as well should help support my argument in court. Everything im writing on this thread and the others are the same things I’ve shared with her. And there no denying it on her behalf. Which shows she knew she screwed up. All my possessions were not only used but were as well brand new as i collected a lot of high end fashion pieces for resale and other fine art and my photography equipment.



I totally see where you are going with it. The $15k is a combo of the value of the stuff owners and used. I had over 40-50 pairs of footwear that were used or brand new, 10-13 vintage leather jackets new and used that were purchased or gifted to me. I would have to have a full detailed list of these items to know how much more i would’ve gained from there. I only have a few images of them from when I was setting them up to be sold. The electronics at current value wouldnt even bring me over 15k as they are so outdated. Most of the stuff I wasn’t going to sell until maybe now or later as I needed to give them more time to be rare.

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If it has been sitting in bags or boxes for four years, it doesn't matter how "high end" it was at the time or that you intended to resell it -- it's four-year-old used clothing that is out-of-fashion, and is worth pennies on the dollar.

If you had $15,000 worth of inventory that you could have sold for immediate profit, you should not expect a court to find it credible that you would have left that property for a period of years instead of selling it and paying your rent debt.

In any event, good luck with your court case.

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If you go on eBay or google and search limited edition Nike Marty McFly sneakers, you will they go for $12k by itself. The purchase price could’ve been anywhere from $800-$1k retail and is currently up for the price I mentioned. If you know anything about collectibles including art and music if it’s one of a kind, limited editions and or rare best believe based on that rarity of the item the will go for much more than pennies in a dollar. I would know. I have done it before. I am not inexperienced in this. At the time I couldn’t sell. It wasn’t yet a high demand or rare piece and to top top it off it was a limited edition piece with their own individual numbers out of how many are made. You basically don’t collect fashion pieces or art so I don’t expect you to understand, but if you must, look at it from that aspect.

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If you go on eBay or google and search limited edition Nike Marty McFly sneakers, you will they go for $12k by itself. The purchase price could’ve been anywhere from $800-$1k retail and is currently up for the price I mentioned. If you know anything about collectibles including art and music if it’s one of a kind, limited editions and or rare best believe based on that rarity of the item the will go for much more than pennies in a dollar. I would know. I have done it before. I am not inexperienced in this. At the time I couldn’t sell. It wasn’t yet a high demand or rare piece and to top top it off it was a limited edition piece with their own individual numbers out of how many are made. You basically don’t collect fashion pieces or art so I don’t expect you to understand, but if you must, look at it from that aspect.

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Are you talking about the sneakers that were marketed in 2016, like in a couple years ago? Obviously you couldn’t have a pair of those at the former landlords house.

As to what an item is advertised at; that is an advertised price and meaningless. What is important is what the buyer is paying.

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At the time I couldn’t sell.

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I suspect what you really meant here was that you didn't want to sell, not that you couldn't. Whether your collectables have aged enough for you or not, there was still some value to them that you could have cashed out to pay your debts but you chose not to. That's on you, no one else.

If I were the judge, I would be reminded of the sarcastic jokes that have long been told in legal circles "golden glove box", the claim by a person whose car was stolen or repossessed that they had incredibly valuable items stored in the glove compartment and that they must have been taken before the vehicle was recovered.

Under the best of circumstances, this type of claim not only comes across as less than credible. As jk indicates, when the claim boils down to "In 2014, I left valuable sneakers behind with my landlord, even though the sneakers weren't manufactured until 2016", well.... you're dead in the water.

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Not that it matters, but I think some of the shoes are actual 1984 vintage

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The movie the shoes are based on didn’t come out until 1989.

maybe the Delorean time machine was real after all.

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The movie actually came out in 1985, and the shoes were an off the rack item, so my theory could work:confused:

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The shoes op is talking about we’re not made until 2016

the shoes were from back to the future 2 which came out in 1989.

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I suspect what you really meant here was that you didn't want to sell, not that you couldn't. Whether your collectables have aged enough for you or not, there was still some value to them that you could have cashed out to pay your debts but you chose not to. That's on you, no one else.

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I couldn’t and i didn’t want to. I know i wouldn’t have gotten anything for them if I did put them up for sell. If i were to now at a starting bid of let’s $99 for a week by the end of the week i would made the retail value in which i paid less for the retail value. Way less. Go on eBay right now and loonat any John Varvatos piece wether it’s jackets or shoes. Used or new. You will see what they are going for or being bidded on.

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Correct. It's like in BK. You can't hold on to your $3M house, $10M facebook stock and two tons of gold just because you think they'll appreciate even more.

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Like the great artist jay z said in his song “OJ”

“ I coulda bought a place in Dumbo before it was Dumbo
For like two million
That same building today is worth twenty-five million” so I think you can buy something because you think they’ll appreciate. This is America. It happens. And I know what could’ve gotten for them right now. Not then.

You are free to try to convince the court that the used clothing you abandoned for years is now worth a thousand times what you paid for it five, six, eight, ten or more years ago. Good luck to you.

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Are you talking about the sneakers that were marketed in 2016, like in a couple years ago? Obviously you couldn’t have a pair of those at the former landlords house.

As to what an item is advertised at; that is an advertised price and meaningless. What is important is what the buyer is paying.

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Regardless an agreement was made I have reasons that support it. 75% of my lively hood was there including my child’s photo album. For someone I knew for a long while he nothing but access to me never held regard to contacting me, despite knowing she rented me an illegal apartment, and that I know every home she owns has an illegal apartment in it. Some are asking why couldn’t I have reached out, I did, to the son, in which i told him to have her contact me. And she never did, that’s cause she plotted on my valuables and threw away what she couldn’t utilize. And on top of that find that the home was foreclosed and i was not even told even when I kept in communication. No warning nothing. At least take my property and put them in a garage or just simply reach out and warn me. I was not unreachable.

The court is not going to care if it was a legal rental. The court is only going to care about whether the person with whom you left the property had a duty to store it; if so, whether that duty was violated; and if so, what the reasonable replacement cost would be for items that you can prove you left in the possession of the person.

If you're going to try to convince the court that boxes or bags of used clothes are worth $thousands as collectable items, you had best bring in convincing proof that (a) you owned items of that nature, (b) those are the items you left, and (c) their present market value. Odds are your ex-landlord is going to state that you left some old clothes and other worthless items.

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Regardless an agreement was made I have reasons that support it. 75% of my lively hood was there including my child’s photo album. For someone I knew for a long while he nothing but access to me never held regard to contacting me, despite knowing she rented me an illegal apartment, and that I know every home she owns has an illegal apartment in it. Some are asking why couldn’t I have reached out, I did, to the son, in which i told him to have her contact me. And she never did, that’s cause she plotted on my valuables and threw away what she couldn’t utilize. And on top of that find that the home was foreclosed and i was not even told even when I kept in communication. No warning nothing. At least take my property and put them in a garage or just simply reach out and warn me. I was not unreachable.

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An agreement with whom? By your own word not the landlord. Since your agreement was with the landlords son that is more likely the true defendant.

Your baby photo album is basically worthless.

What makes you bekieve she had to contact you?

again, if the personal property was pledged as security her defense could be as simple as: I sold it to recoup my money.

But anyway; good luck trying to convince a judge your property is worth more than nothing.

Regarding the value of your property. The Nike shoes you couldn’t have in your collection because they weren’t produced until well after you moved out are on eBay. There is a current bid of $225 with a couple days or so left in the auction. There are some posted at stupid high prices but that doesn’t mean anything other than nobody is willing to pay such rediculous prices. They aren’t going to sell at that price.

[QUOTD]Varvatos piece wether it’s jackets or shoes. Used or new. You will see what they are going for or being bidded on[/QUOTE]yep. Went there. A lot of stuff under $100. Actually a lot under $25

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The legal status of the apartment has nothing to do with this unless you propose to commit extortion

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Not a bad idea. But I think it’ll reveal itself regardless.

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The court is not going to care if it was a legal rental. The court is only going to care about whether the person with whom you left the property had a duty to store it; if so, whether that duty was violated; and if so, what the reasonable replacement cost would be for items that you can prove you left in the possession of the

If you're going to try to convince the court that boxes or bags of used clothes are worth $thousands as collectable items, you had best bring in convincing proof that (a) you owned items of that nature, (b) those are the items you left, and (c) their present market value. Odds are your ex-landlord is going to state that you left some old clothes and other worthless items.

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I have proof of ownership of these items. Some pictures for sure. And the abandonment act. States that she was to notify me if she’s going to throw anything out. In which she had ways to do find me.

(AND TO JK RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS AND STATEMENT)
Abandoned Property Act” (N.J.S.A. 2A:18-72). This law requires the landlord to give you notice in writing that he is going to get rid of the property that you have left behind”

That’s what makes me believe she had to or could have contacted me


“How do I prove the value of the lost or destroyed property?”

You can provide any or all of the following information to the judge to help support your case for how much your lost property is worth:

Testimony about the items and what they cost.
Testimony about the items and what they were worth to you.
Testimony about what it would cost to replace the items at this time.
Receipts for the items at the time that you purchased them.
Pictures of the items.

You do not have to be an expert in order to give your opinion about how much a certain item is worth. However, you do have to tell the court on what information you are basing your opinions. You do not have to be exact and may give estimates for values.

That is what the seller is asking for it. There are no bids. If you look for similar items where the auction has completed, there are none sold for more than $100. An item's value is what it actually sells for and not what the asking price is.

You’re the one that said “just check ebay” for pricing on your “designer label” crap. I did. Now you want to start saying that stuff is crap but yours is magically better. If you wanted to be more specific than “anything from Varvatos” you should have done so. You lead me to believe anything Varvatos is super valuable.

Your law doesnt apply if you want to argue a bailmant was created outside of the landlord tenant laws and it surely doesn’t apply if you left the property as security for your debt. The law you cited deals simply with abandoned property.
In other words; different laws apply because it has been removed from the landlord tenant laws. The case I cited is so close to yours. I gave you the critical statemenr of the opinion.

Your story reminds me of an old story I heard when I sold real estate. There was a guy that listed his house for $1,000,000. When you reviewed the listing you found that it was in a $200,000 neighborhood. When you looked further you find his house sold for the neighborhood average just a few years prior. Future research showed no major improvements to justify such a huge price increase.

When somebody asked the guy why he priced his house he said;

i wanted to have the first million dollar house in the neighborhood.

In other words; it was an advertising gimmick merely to draw attention to that house.

It sold for about neighborhood average when it was all said and done.


regarding the rediculous pricing statement. I was referring to the shoes (you know, the shoes you claimed to have that is impossible because they weren’t mad yet when you moved) where the active auctions are sellling for 3 figure prices but somebkdy tossed rediculous prices (I believe one was $86,000). Of course there are no bids on those so fashion sense or not, nobody is paying those rediculous prices.

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regarding the rediculous pricing statement. I was referring to the shoes (you know, the shoes you claimed to have that is impossible because they weren’t mad yet when you moved) where the active auctions are sellling for 3 figure prices but somebkdy tossed rediculous prices (I believe one was $86,000). Of course there are no bids on those so fashion sense or not, nobody is paying those rediculous prices.

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So you say.

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So you say.

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Well, yes it is obvious, especially since you quoted my post, that is what I say.

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So you say.

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There’s people who pays ridiculous rent prices in the city and you think no one would this “ridiculous” price. Leave it to someone who know what they’re talking about and have witnessed this stuff be purchased. I obviously can make testimony of the price on the items, what they are worth to me. Don’t play stupid when you are told to check eBay on what the stuff are going for. If you can be on here to play smarty pants be a smarty pants and understand that people will pay for the most ridiculous stuff. I’ve seen it first hand. So what i purchased were items that were already sold and were popular of its time and I see similar ones up for grabs that people are selling by right off of eBay when they get the chance. So wether it’s asking price or selling price. $800 for that jacket is actually not bad, but we have to consider what he paid for it that he is willing to sell it at that price. It’s obvious stupid for someone to buy house and assume he can make it the first million dollar house in the neighborhood but on the contrary it’s possibly possible. Leave fashion selling and bidding to the ones tat know what they’re talking about. You’re obviously a landlord self. I’m done with you. Be gone.

Your questions have been answered well form a legal perspective. If you don't like the answers saddle up and head to court and make your case with your ridiculous advertised prices. And good luck.

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Your questions have been answered well form a legal perspective. If you don't like the answers saddle up and head to court and make your case with your ridiculous advertised prices. And good luck.

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According to what I’ve read I’m entitled to create my prices. I’m shooting high so of course naturally I would do so. I don’t think these are legal perspectives just regular judgemental perspectives. If I don’t get $15k that’s fine. But I’m leaving with something.

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According to what I’ve read I’m entitled to create my prices. I’m shooting high so of course naturally I would do so. I don’t think these are legal perspectives just regular judgemental perspectives. If I don’t get $15k that’s fine. But I’m leaving with something.

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No, you are not entitled to just set whatever price you want. You have to be able to prove the value of the item. An eBay listing with no bids that does not sell is not proof.

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Quoting Senclar

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There’s people who pays ridiculous rent prices in the city and you think no one would this “ridiculous” price. Leave it to someone who know what they’re talking about and have witnessed this stuff be purchased. I obviously can make testimony of the price on the items, what they are worth to me. Don’t play stupid when you are told to check eBay on what the stuff are going for. If you can be on here to play smarty pants be a smarty pants and understand that people will pay for the most ridiculous stuff. I’ve seen it first hand. So what i purchased were items that were already sold and were popular of its time and I see similar ones up for grabs that people are selling by right off of eBay when they get the chance. So wether it’s asking price or selling price. $800 for that jacket is actually not bad, but we have to consider what he paid for it that he is willing to sell it at that price. It’s obvious stupid for someone to buy house and assume he can make it the first million dollar house in the neighborhood but on the contrary it’s possibly possible. Leave fashion selling and bidding to the ones tat know what they’re talking about. You’re obviously a landlord self. I’m done with you. Be gone.

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Well, your testimony to the value is meaningless. Not only are you not a certified appraiser of misc crap, you are not an independent and objective party.

as to playing dumb with the eBay issue; I followed your direction to check on the designer stuff. I don’t profess to know anything about that property so I did precisely what you suggested and relayed the info here.

You have told us that you left the items at the end of your tenancy as security on your debt -- you have told us that you had an express agreement with the landlord to hold the property until you paid your overdue rent. That makes this a bailment case, not a case of a landlord's dealing with abandoned property at the end of the lease. But in any event, an action brought under NJSA 2A:18-72, et seq, is governed by a two year statute of limitations, N.J.S.A. 2A:14-2. If you're going to choose between causes of action, you had best pick one that isn't time-barred.

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Quoting Senclar

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According to what I’ve read I’m entitled to create my prices. I’m shooting high so of course naturally I would do so. I don’t think these are legal perspectives just regular judgemental perspectives. If I don’t get $15k that’s fine. But I’m leaving with something.

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I’m generally not a betting man but I would seriously consider betting on you walking away without anything.

And create your own prices? What a joke. You have to prove the amount you are claiming is a valid value. Advertised prices don’t mean a thing. Actuall selling prices are what matters.