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  • 03-19-2018, 12:21 PM
    PayrolGuy
    Re: Legality of Staged Atrocity Propaganda
    I can't help what other definitions people apply to words or phrases. A theory about a conspiracy is a conspiracy theory.
  • 03-19-2018, 01:14 PM
    Taxing Matters
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    In your view, Do you think it acceptable that Domestic Target Audiences (legislators and citizens) are targeted with “Staged Atrocity Propaganda” to further regime political goals?”

    Again, the details matter. I don't form opinion based on vaguely defined phrases and loaded terms.

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    More specifically, do you think it acceptable for a regime to employ staged events in the form of “shootings” to manipulate public opinion and to provide political cover for the passage of more restrictive laws?

    Committing actual murder of citizens in a stage event would, of course, be illegal already and would not be a legitimate means to influence public opinion. As to the argument made by some that one or more of the mass shooting incidents like Sandy Hook never even really happened and are all fake, I find those theories to be wholly lacking in credible evidence and indeed the evidence available works against them. Still, there are those who are so predisposed to believe that the government engages in that sort of thing that they'll latch on to whatever evidence they can point to, however weak it is, to support their belief that that government staged it all. If the government had done that I would find it inappropriate conduct. But so far there is no convincing case made that it has occurred. And no, I’m interested in hearing whatever theory you have on how the government staged shootings. I’ve already seen the claims made about that and find them wholly unconvincing.

    So far as your question at the outset of this thread goes, my answer is still the same: if there is some act that government can do that is currently legal to do and that you think should not be legal to do then the solution is to lobby the federal and state legislatures to outlaw that conduct.
  • 03-22-2018, 08:40 AM
    haha
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    So, no one was killed at Sandy Hook. Got it.

    <sigh>

    So that is how you react when you are confronted with a very basic fact that is undeniable. I'm glad this is documented for others to see.

    FYI, "David P. Khoury" did not commit a crime in Philadelphia.

    AND you were shown video of a "Drill" in progress that happened at the St. Rose of Lima School that is over 1 mile away from the Sandy Hook School site - and that drill happened just before sundown the day before the "event" or on another day before that.

    Forensic examination of the shadows proves this.

    If you were employed as a police officer I surely hope it was not as a detective. LOL
  • 03-22-2018, 08:50 AM
    cdwjava
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    So that is how you react when you are confronted with a very basic fact that is undeniable. I'm glad this is documented for others to see.

    Sandy Hook and Parkland happened ... deal with it.

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    FYI, "David P. Khoury" did not commit a crime in Philadelphia.
    Since he was a fiction, you're right.

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    AND you were shown video of a "Drill" in progress that happened at the St. Rose of Lima School that is over 1 mile away from the Sandy Hook School site - and that drill happened just before sundown the day before the "event" or on another day before that.
    Yeah ... and ...??

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    If you were employed as a police officer I surely hope it was not as a detective. LOL
    I supervised the detectives.

    Perhaps you might consider facts and not fringe propaganda.
  • 03-22-2018, 08:52 AM
    free9man
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    FYI, "David P. Khoury" did not commit a crime in Philadelphia.

    Why do you keep coming back to this? It was a sting operation that is perfectly legal

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    AND you were shown video of a "Drill" in progress that happened at the St. Rose of Lima School that is over 1 mile away from the Sandy Hook School site - and that drill happened just before sundown the day before the "event" or on another day before that.

    Forensic examination of the shadows proves this.

    These claims have been proved false multiple times. They are garbage and insult the real families who lost their real children in the very much real event.
  • 03-22-2018, 09:04 AM
    haha
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    Again, the details matter. I don't form opinion based on vaguely defined phrases and loaded terms.



    Committing actual murder of citizens in a stage event would, of course, be illegal already and would not be a legitimate means to influence public opinion. As to the argument made by some that one or more of the mass shooting incidents like Sandy Hook never even really happened and are all fake, I find those theories to be wholly lacking in credible evidence and indeed the evidence available works against them. Still, there are those who are so predisposed to believe that the government engages in that sort of thing that they'll latch on to whatever evidence they can point to, however weak it is, to support their belief that that government staged it all. If the government had done that I would find it inappropriate conduct. But so far there is no convincing case made that it has occurred. And no, I’m interested in hearing whatever theory you have on how the government staged shootings. I’ve already seen the claims made about that and find them wholly unconvincing.

    So far as your question at the outset of this thread goes, my answer is still the same: if there is some act that government can do that is currently legal to do and that you think should not be legal to do then the solution is to lobby the federal and state legislatures to outlaw that conduct.

    If you have time I could certainly present to you the facts and how the Deception planners performed the illusion. But the point I'm making here is that this regime is using Staged Atrocity Propaganda to achieve political goals. This is happening. And we all need to face this.

    You used an important phrase, “predisposed to believe”.

    A person who is “predisposed to believe” something exhibits cognitive bias.

    A person who is “predisposed not to believe” something also exhibits cognitive bias.

    Both those who are predisposed to believe and predisposed not to believe will have difficulty objectively examining evidence.

    Those characteristics are easily leveraged by Deception planners.

    It looks like some of the respondents here are "predisposed not to believe" certain things even in the face of hard evidence. Of course, most people have no background in forensic investigation nor do they have any background in military deception operations.

    You must consider where you obtained your information about a certain event. That source is your "information channel". If it is controlled by the deception planner - you will need to find other information sources that are not under the control of the deception planner.

    As you must know - the practice of conducting Staged Atrocity Propaganda is a very real thing. In fact, here is an excerpt from Counterdecepion Principles and Applications for National Security:

    "An event (atrocity) will be staged with supporting media coverage and accompanying deceptive propaganda. This will be fed to through the channels of sympathetic regional media, which will be picked up by the international media. These channels will convey the message to the targeted sympathetic groups within the public to sway public opinion and bring pressure on the targeted government policymakers. The deception planner also create forged documents attributing the atrocity to agents of the target government and leak them through unsuspecting (duped) third-party diplomatic channels. Finally, the planners coordinate the creation of decoyed objects and signals (to be viewed by the targeted government IMINT and SIGINT collectors,respectively) to support the atrocity story. Forged materials are also passed through agent channels to add further credibility to the decoys. These activities are all conducted to convince intelligence analysts that the atrocity story is, indeed, true."

    (That was from Chapter 1 Deception and the Need for Counterdeception, Page 6)

    Those were not my words.

    If a person is capable of setting aside cognitive biases that may be interfering with their ability to recognize anomalies that are tell-tale signs of deception - then they can get somewhere.

    From the responses in this thread, I can clearly see that many people suffer crippling disability as a result of their cognitive bias to "believe".

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    Sandy Hook and Parkland happened ... deal with it.

    Sure, on TV. Deal with it. Better yet - how about looking beyond what you were shown on you TV for evidence. Or you can just sit there and "believe".

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    he was a fiction, you're right.

    Not only was he a fiction, the court case was a fiction. Maybe you missed the significance of that kind of manipulation of the courts. Creating a fake court case goes far beyond a "sting" operation. Creating a fake court case can influence case law and precedent, and it can also have an effect on public opinion. But you knew that - right?

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    Yeah ... and ...??

    Your were shown a lie.

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    I supervised the detectives.

    That's really sad because you evidently suffer from crippling cognitive bias.

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    Perhaps you might consider facts and not fringe propaganda.

    You need to check yourself here. Obviously you don't know what "facts" are. Facts are things that are real. Not simply what you saw on TV.

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    There is a HUGE difference between the FBI or any other LEO organization conducting a sting by creating a character to document the wrongdoing of a criminal and some portion of the government or anyone else staging mass shootings at a school, or anywhere else for that matter, to garner support for increased gun control. And there is nobody in the world who would be more happy if such a event were found to be staged than I would be.

    According to you there is a huge difference. But the practice of using Staged Atrocity Propaganda is legal here and is being done to achieve political goals.

    I am flatly saying that this is being done. I base this on the available evidence and there is plenty.

    In fact, you can expect more of these events to occur on about a bi-monthly basis.

    The whole reason for this thread is to bring attention to the fact that this regime is using this technique.

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    These claims have been proved false multiple times. They are garbage and insult the real families who lost their real children in the very much real event.

    No. You are wrong. The FACT is that there was a "DRILL" at the St. Rose of Lima School and that Drill was filmed and shown to you as being a "Shooting" at the Sandy Hook School.

    The sun angle has not been "proved false".

    And you certainly have not done so.

    Merely repeating what you 'heard" somewhere isn't credible.

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    I can't help what other definitions people apply to words or phrases. A theory about a conspiracy is a conspiracy theory.

    So I guess we'll just have to call anyone who doesn't merely parrot what they heard on TV as a "conspiracy theorist".

    At least they don't throw you in prison here (yet) for questioning supposed "facts". But I'm sure they're working on it.

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    Why do you keep coming back to this? It was a sting operation that is perfectly legal

    It was far more than just a run-of-the-mill Sting. It involved the creation of a fake court case. And it also involved the creation of an entirely fake shadow-character that was sold as being a real person.

    This is important for many reasons. It also shows the kinds of capabilities and techniques used by the Deception planners.

    So in addition to "Sting" operations, "Creating Entirely Fictitious Court Cases" is "perfectly legal" here.

    If you can't understand how monumentally significant that is - well, just go back to your TV.
  • 03-22-2018, 09:46 AM
    cdwjava
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    Having spoken to law enforcement personnel who were AT the Newtown shooting and witnessed the carnage, I think I'll choose to believe them. Of course, I suppose you'll argue that the hundreds of friends and families of the victims, parents and first responders on scene, and assorted funerals were all part of an elaborate hoax where NONE of the pretenders ever spoke up about their participation and the fact they were seeded into the community years before the event was to have been staged. Right?

    I think we're done here.
  • 03-22-2018, 11:33 AM
    haha
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    Having spoken to law enforcement personnel who were AT the Newtown shooting and witnessed the carnage, I think I'll choose to believe them. Of course, I suppose you'll argue that the hundreds of friends and families of the victims, parents and first responders on scene, and assorted funerals were all part of an elaborate hoax where NONE of the pretenders ever spoke up about their participation and the fact they were seeded into the community years before the event was to have been staged. Right?

    I think we're done here.

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    And your broad brush statement means absolutely nothing.

    Obviously you know nothing about the Sandy Hook enclave of Newtown. And very obviously you know absolutely nothing about the mechanics of the NATIONAL EXERCISE DIVISION and how it works.

    Sandy Hook was a "NATIONAL LEVEL EXERCISE". Go look up what that means.

    And while you're at it stay off this thread.

    You are embarrassing yourself further.

    I really don't think anyone benefits by your "believer" spew. Any idiot can regurgitate what their TV tells them.

    Oh BTW, there's no Santa Claus either.
  • 03-22-2018, 11:44 AM
    free9man
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    And out comes the drooling, foaming at the mouth conspiracy theorist everyone already suspected was there.

    That or a troll. Either way, beyond our help and beneath contempt.
  • 03-22-2018, 11:58 AM
    Mr. Knowitall
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    Why argue with a troll who, with true honesty in branding, picked the username "haha"? If you don't like trolls, don't feed 'em.
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