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  • 03-31-2007, 01:59 PM
    turbospool
    Re: Threatened with Grand Theft Over Scrap Metal
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    I am not disagreeing but your problem isnt the other jobs its this one! Using a defense like "everyone else did it" isnt going to help you much! You can bring the issue up but if its your sole defense your sunk!

    i dont see that line being the same as what im saying because if everyone esle was stealing they would be facing the same stuff i am..theyre not so what they did isnt stealing hence what I did wasnt stealing
  • 03-31-2007, 02:06 PM
    panther10758
    Re: Threatened with Grand Theft Over Scrap Metal
    Taking someone elses property without permission is stealing!
  • 03-31-2007, 04:49 PM
    turbospool
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    Taking someone elses property without permission is stealing!

    :confused: the foreman said we could take it man.. OBVIOUSLY IT WASNT WITHOUT PERMISSION
  • 03-31-2007, 04:53 PM
    panther10758
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    Was it the foreman's property? No it wasnt its theft! I understand you meant no harm but you did take someone elses property without permission.
  • 04-01-2007, 02:54 PM
    turbospool
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    Was it the foreman's property? No it wasnt its theft! I understand you meant no harm but you did take someone elses property without permission.

    the foreman was told it was okay... the foreman told us it was okay... it wasnt without permission. precedent from other jobs being able to take scrap.. I dunno what you do but its NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL to take scraps from jobs that goes for electricians plumblers HVAC guys. But whatever.. next question.

    Can they legally get you to give them market value for the scrap. If you give the scrap back to them shouldnt that be enough?
  • 04-01-2007, 06:21 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: Threatened with Grand Theft Over Scrap Metal
    If I give you permission to steal somebody else's car, my permission doesn't matter a whit - it's not my car to give away.

    If they get the scrap back, and the value is not diminished, that should resolve their claim.
  • 04-01-2007, 07:17 PM
    jk
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    the foreman was told it was okay... the foreman told us it was okay... it wasnt without permission. precedent from other jobs being able to take scrap.. I dunno what you do but its NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL to take scraps from jobs that goes for electricians plumblers HVAC guys. But whatever.. next question.

    Can they legally get you to give them market value for the scrap. If you give the scrap back to them shouldnt that be enough?


    who told the foreman it was OK?. If that person is higher in the company than those requiring reimbursement for it, have them tell the folks to back off. If the requesting person is of greater position, apparently the person who told the foreman it was ok did not have the authority either.

    precedent does not make any difference. Just because I give you my old shoes a time or two does not mean you are always entitled to them. They apparently changed their mind.

    If the copper is old demo stuff, the contactor sometimes figures that into the bid. If it is new scrap trimmings, that IS company property and whomever directs the company has every right to demand all scrap be returned, after all, they did buy the stuff.

    So, although it does not seem you intended to steal, apparently the rightful owner wants the copper so you have to give it up.

    as far as grand theft; how much copper are you talking about? grand theft usually has a threshold of value to meet before it is applicable.

    I have also seen electricians intentionally scrapping good wire simply so they could sell it as scrap. Maybe somebody on your job did this or management beoeived it to be so and instituted the rule they have now.
  • 04-01-2007, 08:22 PM
    turbospool
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    i dunno who told him... he didnt say or is saying

    I just dont see how they can legally have us pay it back at market value. I still have it. its not like its gone or anything
  • 04-02-2007, 05:01 PM
    jk
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    i dunno who told him... he didnt say or is saying

    I just dont see how they can legally have us pay it back at market value. I still have it. its not like its gone or anything

    then give it back to them and let it be. If you return the stuff and they try to prosecute, they aren;t going to get very far.

    when you say market value, do you mean scrap market value or new wire market value? I either missed when you explained that or you didn't say prior.
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