Self-Defense Against Sexual Assault

My question involves criminal law for the state of: NJ
As I am from NJ this post is mostly about the law in NJ regarding this but more or less it would apply to the entire country. Anyway, my post is about self defense from sexual assault. When people think about sexual assault usually they think about a woman being sexually assaulted somehow or another. Often that is the case but the fact remans that men can be and are sexually assaulted. Men get sexually assaulted by other men. So, what I want to point out is a man should not get in trouble for using physical force against another man who is sexually assaulting him as that would be self defense. So what I want to ask is, why would a man get in trouble for using physical force in such a situation? Its self defense.

That would depend on the facts. The police may think that the person claiming self-defense is lying. The person may have used force that the police deem disproportionate to the alleged sexual assault.

If this is about you, discuss the facts with your criminal defense lawyer.

Define "get in trouble."

Nobody "gets in trouble" for properly using force to defend themselves or others from harm to life and limb.

Where the "trouble" comes in is where there is doubt about how much force was necessary depending on the circumstances.

Whether a man would "get in trouble" for responding to sexual assault with force depends on the SPECIFIC set of circumstances and there are probably thousands of sets of circumstances that could go either way.

I'll give you two obvious examples.

1 - A man breaks into my house, grabs me, throws me down, pins me to the floor and tries to stick his _____ up my _____. I manage to get my gun and shoot him dead. No trouble there.

2 - A man breaks into my house, moves toward me in a threatening manner, I get my gun out, he sees it and runs away. I am unharmed but I shoot him in the back on his way out the door. Big trouble coming my way.

There's probably 50 shades of gray in between those two extremes that can be imagined.

You'll need to explain your question better.

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Define "get in trouble."

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By "get in trouble," what I mean is to face charges, lawsuits, and possibly being slapped with a felony.

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Nobody "gets in trouble" for properly using force to defend themselves or others from harm to life and limb.

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And they shouldn't.

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Where the "trouble" comes in is where there is doubt about how much force was necessary depending on the circumstances.

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That depends. As you said, there are many shades of gray.

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Whether a man would "get in trouble" for responding to sexual assault with force depends on the SPECIFIC set of circumstances and there are probably thousands of sets of circumstances that could go either way.

I'll give you two obvious examples.

1 - A man breaks into my house, grabs me, throws me down, pins me to the floor and tries to stick his _____ up my _____. I manage to get my gun and shoot him dead. No trouble there.

2 - A man breaks into my house, moves toward me in a threatening manner, I get my gun out, he sees it and runs away. I am unharmed but I shoot him in the back on his way out the door. Big trouble coming my way.

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Well there really is no grey area in the two examples you provide. In the first example you were in danger of being raped which falls under the category of "grave bodily harm." Deadly force is allowed to be used if you are in danger of grave bodily harm and so you would be justified in shooting your assailant. In the second example the perpetrator is running away so to shoot him at that point would clearly not be self defense. He is running away, he is not a threat to you at that point so shooting him then would not be self defense.

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There's probably 50 shades of gray in between those two extremes that can be imagined.

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Yes and that's what can create problems. Although I would think that who the attacker is in addition to how they're attacking can justify a greater level of force. For instance, a large man would certainly be a greater threat than a petite woman or a small child and thus you would be justified in using a greater level of force against a large man than the latter two if they were attacking you to the same degree.

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You'll need to explain your question better.

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Well yes, and I should give some examples.

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Where the "trouble" comes in is where there is doubt about how much force was necessary depending on the circumstances..

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Unfortunately, sometimes police don't wait to cast this sort of doubt. If they have evidence to establish the elements of an assault, they can arrest and let discrepancies work out in the court room. You can be left to proving your innocence in these sorts of situations. Happened to someone I know. Otherwise, I mean anyone could try to claim dude was trying to grab my junk as an excuse to deck him.

I can tell you that even if you are 100% justified in your self-defense, you are going to have "trouble" if you shoot someone.

Imagine a world where someone could shoot someone else, say it was self defense, and the police said, "oh, okay, no need to look into this then..." Of course law enforcement will investigate to determine whether reasonable force was used for any self-defense claim just as they will investigate any claimed alibi...

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Unfortunately, sometimes police don't wait to cast this sort of doubt. If they have evidence to establish the elements of an assault, they can arrest and let discrepancies work out in the court room. You can be left to proving your innocence in these sorts of situations. Happened to someone I know. Otherwise, I mean anyone could try to claim dude was trying to grab my junk as an excuse to deck him.

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But that would represent only a very small, insignificant threat, non?

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My question involves criminal law for the state of: NJ
As I am from NJ this post is mostly about the law in NJ regarding this but more or less it would apply to the entire country. Anyway, my post is about self defense from sexual assault. When people think about sexual assault usually they think about a woman being sexually assaulted somehow or another. Often that is the case but the fact remans that men can be and are sexually assaulted. Men get sexually assaulted by other men. So, what I want to point out is a man should not get in trouble for using physical force against another man who is sexually assaulting him as that would be self defense. So what I want to ask is, why would a man get in trouble for using physical force in such a situation? Its self defense.

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Do you have a specific case where a man was arrested for defending himself from someone sexually assaulting him? Anyone can be assaulted sexually and anyone can be a perpetrator. Women sexually assault men too. Or women sexually assault women. And so on.

No one can really answer that without knowing specifics of the case. Did you or someone you know get arrested for defending yourself from a sexual assault?

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1 - A man breaks into my house, grabs me, throws me down, pins me to the floor and tries to stick his _____ up my _____. I manage to get my gun and shoot him dead. No trouble there.

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Not in NJ... You have a duty to retreat first.

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New Jersey self defense requires the defendant to have a reasonable belief about three subjects:

The force defendant is using must be immediately necessary – in other words the defendant must believe that the unlawful force will be used against him at the time that he acts;

the force used against the defendant must be unlawful – this defense is not available to the aggressor;

the amount of force which the defendant uses must be necessary – this defense is unavailable if the actor is unreasonable in his belief about the amount of force necessary and if acting on this unreasonable belief the actor uses an excessive amount of force.

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http://www.newjersey-legal-guide.com...f-Defense.html

Much of the posts here have been about using weapons, most specifically shooting somebody. Most specifically if you can shoot an assailant. That is certainly something to take into consideration and the justification of such a level of force should definitely be taken into consideration if one plans to prepare for the possibility of ever using such a level of force but the point of my thread was more about self defense in general not specifically self defense with weapons and the legal consequences for using self defense that doesn't involve weapons.

As adjusterjack said I should explain my question better and as I said, I should give an example. So here is my example. Lets say Im a guy in college. Im on campus and this other guy in my college touches me or tries to touch me somewhere on the body that's covered by the bathing suit. And so I punch him in the face. My question would be what legal consequences would I face? The way I see it, I should not get in trouble as that would clearly be a case of self defense. In the good old USA you're allowed to defend yourself. So for me to get in trouble in such a situation than there is clearly something wrong with our system.

You would face charges for either.

It would be up to your attorney to argue the self defense issue. You may or may not be cleared.

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Much of the posts here have been about using weapons, most specifically shooting somebody. Most specifically if you can shoot an assailant. That is certainly something to take into consideration and the justification of such a level of force should definitely be taken into consideration if one plans to prepare for the possibility of ever using such a level of force but the point of my thread was more about self defense in general not specifically self defense with weapons and the legal consequences for using self defense that doesn't involve weapons.

As adjusterjack said I should explain my question better and as I said, I should give an example. So here is my example. Lets say Im a guy in college. Im on campus and this other guy in my college touches me or tries to touch me somewhere on the body that's covered by the bathing suit. And so I punch him in the face. My question would be what legal consequences would I face? The way I see it, I should not get in trouble as that would clearly be a case of self defense. In the good old USA you're allowed to defend yourself. So for me to get in trouble in such a situation than there is clearly something wrong with our system.

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Oh, I don't think the system would be at fault.

Is punching someone for incidental contact appropriate?

Oh .. that's not what you meant?

If I recall correctly, for a self defense claim to stand up you need to have used the minimum necessary to protect yourself. If you can escape the situation without punching someone, you are expected to do so.

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If I recall correctly, for a self defense claim to stand up you need to have used the minimum necessary to protect yourself. If you can escape the situation without punching someone, you are expected to do so.

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I would think that would depend on where you are and the guidelines for the jurisdiction you're in. For instance in some places you're allowed to stand your ground without the duty to retreat. So you wouldn't have to escape or run when faced with a threat.

"Standing your ground" and "excessive force" are not synonymous.

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My question involves criminal law for the state of: NJ
As I am from NJ this post is mostly about the law in NJ regarding this but more or less it would apply to the entire country. Anyway, my post is about self defense from sexual assault. When people think about sexual assault usually they think about a woman being sexually assaulted somehow or another. Often that is the case but the fact remans that men can be and are sexually assaulted. Men get sexually assaulted by other men. So, what I want to point out is a man should not get in trouble for using physical force against another man who is sexually assaulting him as that would be self defense. So what I want to ask is, why would a man get in trouble for using physical force in such a situation? Its self defense.

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Have you been sexually assaulted by another man? Or an attempt made?

None of us were there nor have you provided details to any specific case. It's hard to answer not knowing specifics. But as stated if someone uses more force than necessary to defend themselves they can be arrested.

Let's say that Joe is being sexually assaulted by Steve. He fights back and subdues Steve but then in his rage he brutally beats him when he had the opportunity to leave after subduing him. Well now Joe can be arrested for assault or any number of charges. That same thing could happen if a man assaulted a woman and she used disproportionate force. Or a man who fought back a woman sexually assaulting him.

Self defense isn't a get out of jail free card.

If you have an issue with something you were charged with talk to a lawyer. If it's a friend, he needs to talk to a lawyer.

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Have you been sexually assaulted by another man? Or an attempt made?

None of us were there nor have you provided details to any specific case. It's hard to answer not knowing specifics. But as stated if someone uses more force than necessary to defend themselves they can be arrested.

Let's say that Joe is being sexually assaulted by Steve. He fights back and subdues Steve but then in his rage he brutally beats him when he had the opportunity to leave after subduing him. Well now Joe can be arrested for assault or any number of charges. That same thing could happen if a man assaulted a woman and she used disproportionate force. Or a man who fought back a woman sexually assaulting him.

Self defense isn't a get out of jail free card.

If you have an issue with something you were charged with talk to a lawyer. If it's a friend, he needs to talk to a lawyer.

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Well obviously Joe would be in the wrong when he continues to beat on Steve after Steve is no longer a threat. However, I don't see why Joe would be charged if he were to stop once Steve stops. After all, the intent of self defense is not to kill, not to injure, but to stop. If you're intent is to stop than it clearly would be a case of self defense, I would think. To continue to beat on an attacker after they're no longer a threat would show that your intent goes beyond stopping them which would cross the line so that it would no longer be self defense but excessive force.

Self defense isn't supposed to be a get out of jail free card. Its supposed to be a not go to jail in the first place card. Self defense is a right and therefore it shouldn't get you thrown in jail any more than exercising any other right such as breathing.

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Self defense isn't supposed to be a get out of jail free card. Its supposed to be a not go to jail in the first place card. Self defense is a right and therefore it shouldn't get you thrown in jail any more than exercising any other right such as breathing.

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That is where you are wrong. You can very much be taken to jail if the facts do not support your alleged self defense claim. It is then up to the legal system to sort it out.

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Well obviously Joe would be in the wrong when he continues to beat on Steve after Steve is no longer a threat. However, I don't see why Joe would be charged if he were to stop once Steve stops. After all, the intent of self defense is not to kill, not to injure, but to stop. If you're intent is to stop than it clearly would be a case of self defense, I would think. To continue to beat on an attacker after they're no longer a threat would show that your intent goes beyond stopping them which would cross the line so that it would no longer be self defense but excessive force.

Self defense isn't supposed to be a get out of jail free card. Its supposed to be a not go to jail in the first place card. Self defense is a right and therefore it shouldn't get you thrown in jail any more than exercising any other right such as breathing.

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So, in a situation of "he said/she said" ... exactly who should we believe?

Hmm?

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Well obviously Joe would be in the wrong when he continues to beat on Steve after Steve is no longer a threat. However, I don't see why Joe would be charged if he were to stop once Steve stops. After all, the intent of self defense is not to kill, not to injure, but to stop. If you're intent is to stop than it clearly would be a case of self defense, I would think. To continue to beat on an attacker after they're no longer a threat would show that your intent goes beyond stopping them which would cross the line so that it would no longer be self defense but excessive force.

Self defense isn't supposed to be a get out of jail free card. Its supposed to be a not go to jail in the first place card. Self defense is a right and therefore it shouldn't get you thrown in jail any more than exercising any other right such as breathing.

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It doesn't matter if the intent was to stop if the person didn't stop. Joe didn't stop beating on Steve even after he was no longer a threat because he got caught up in his anger and fear.

Here's another scenario. It's from Law and Order SVU so yes it's a TV show but relates. When Olivia Benson was kidnapped by William Lewis he incapacitated her. Put her in the back of a car and kept her drunk and drugged while he took her somewhere to probably rape her. Sadistic character. They got to an empty beach house. He handcuffed her to a bed. At some point she broke loose. She handcuffed him to the bed and eventually she brutally beat him because he instigated her to do it. He was subdued at any point of his many injuries (as he brings up in court later). I doubt she thought once she got free she would kill him. But he got into her head and she snapped. Beat him nearly to death. Eventually I think she got brought up on excessive force because at first she lied about it in court.

I was giving an example to show when self defense goes overboard. There's another. But you can't say there is intent. Not to start with. She didn't intend to kill him that day or when he kidnapped her. You can't predict human emotions in a situation like that.

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So, in a situation of "he said/she said" ... exactly who should we believe?

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Or he said/he said or she said/she said...

Well Im not talking about a situation where a would be victim continues to beat on a perpetrator after they're subdued. Im talking about a situation where, as I discussed earlier, lets say Im in college and some other guy in college gropes or tries to grope me. I punch him in the face once. Why would I get in trouble for that? That would clearly be self defense. Im not using any weapons and the perpetrator is a large man, not a woman or a child. I don't continue to beat on him after he's stopped so why would taking one punch in self defense get me in trouble?

Clearly you are not prepared to accept any answer except that you would be legally justified in returning force for force no matter what the situation.

So if someone will tell you that, will you finally go away? I will be happy to tell you anything you want to hear if it will stop your incessant whining. I won't necessarily believe it, but I'll say it.

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Well Im not talking about a situation where a would be victim continues to beat on a perpetrator after they're subdued. Im talking about a situation where, as I discussed earlier, lets say Im in college and some other guy in college gropes or tries to grope me. I punch him in the face once. Why would I get in trouble for that? That would clearly be self defense. Im not using any weapons and the perpetrator is a large man, not a woman or a child. I don't continue to beat on him after he's stopped so why would taking one punch in self defense get me in trouble?

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Because a punch is much bigger than a grope. The reaction should be equal to the action. If the reaction is bigger than the action, then the person reacting has a problem.

Tries to grope you = walk away. Actually gropes you = push his hand away. A punch in the face is not = to either of these two scenarios, it's OTT...and that's why you would be in trouble.

(Not that I think you would understand this. Just posting 'cause I'm in a time-wasting mood.)

Just curious - why are you so worried about guys groping you?

psst...ee...it's because he wants "self-defense" to be magic words that will allow him to throw punches and walk away with no legal issues. There just HAS to be a situation where he gets to punch people and not have to suffer any repercussions and he thinks maybe a sex angle will allow him to do it.

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psst...ee...it's because he wants "self-defense" to be magic words that will allow him to throw punches and walk away with no legal issues. There just HAS to be a situation where he gets to punch people and not have to suffer any repercussions and he thinks maybe a sex angle will allow him to do it.

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Agree. I'm just trying to throw some logic into this. Probably a waste of time (as I alluded to above).

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Because a punch is much bigger than a grope.

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MUCH bigger. Much, much bigger.

*tongue in cheek*

;) :D

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Well Im not talking about a situation where a would be victim continues to beat on a perpetrator after they're subdued. Im talking about a situation where, as I discussed earlier, lets say Im in college and some other guy in college gropes or tries to grope me. I punch him in the face once. Why would I get in trouble for that? That would clearly be self defense. Im not using any weapons and the perpetrator is a large man, not a woman or a child. I don't continue to beat on him after he's stopped so why would taking one punch in self defense get me in trouble?

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You wouldn't if you only punched him once and he was subdued and you left the situation. Why? Did that happen?

But if he only groped you and you punched him I guess I see it. Idk. I've been groped by guys and didn't punch them. I removed myself from the situation.

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Well Im not talking about a situation where a would be victim continues to beat on a perpetrator after they're subdued. Im talking about a situation where, as I discussed earlier, lets say Im in college and some other guy in college gropes or tries to grope me. I punch him in the face once. Why would I get in trouble for that? That would clearly be self defense. Im not using any weapons and the perpetrator is a large man, not a woman or a child. I don't continue to beat on him after he's stopped so why would taking one punch in self defense get me in trouble?

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Homophobic much there, JF?

I wonder why that might be.

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Well Im not talking about a situation where a would be victim continues to beat on a perpetrator after they're subdued. Im talking about a situation where, as I discussed earlier, lets say Im in college and some other guy in college gropes or tries to grope me. I punch him in the face once. Why would I get in trouble for that? That would clearly be self defense. Im not using any weapons and the perpetrator is a large man, not a woman or a child. I don't continue to beat on him after he's stopped so why would taking one punch in self defense get me in trouble?

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Do you get sexually assaulted by children often? What's the difference if it's a woman or a man who gropes you? The response should be the same...if it's just a grope walk away. If they come after you, you defend yourself. A punch probably isn't the first response to a grope.

Maybe you would get in trouble, maybe you wouldn't. If you claim someone TRIED to grope you, that could be pretty nebulous and would likely result in battery charges and probably little ability to argue self defense. Assuming the other party called the police, of course. If someone was really trying to seually assault you, I doubt they'd be keen on calling the cops.

The bottom line here is that no one can say what will happen in a hypothetical "what if ..." scenario. A lot depends on facts, details, statements, and other evidence. Not to mention the state of occurrence and the nature of self defense laws in that state.

So, I recommend you avoid places where men or women are trying to grope or fondle you against your will.

If someone were to stick a gun in your face and rob you, would you:
A. Punch them in the face.
B. Notify the proper authority.

If someone were to grope you, would you:
A. Punch them in the face.
B. Notify the proper authority.

Your answer should be the same for both questions.

I dunno ... SHOULD and WOULD might be different issues.

If someone were to point a gun at me and rob me, he'd get my wallet, my watch, my cell phone, and a polite "yes sir," until he was gone. THEN I would call the police. But, I doubt I'd punch someone holding a gun on me! (Though, under the right circumstances a series of blows might be appropriate and effective.)

On the other hand, if someone were to actually GROPE me - or my wife, I might be inclined to pop them if they were still standing there. It's a knee-jerk reaction, even though it could result in charges of battery. However, the cops would likely arrest the groper (for the more serious offense) and just refer the resulting puncher to the DA for consideration of charges (i.e. labeling it "for review" which can be code for "you can drop this one").

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You wouldn't if you only punched him once and he was subdued and you left the situation. Why? Did that happen?

But if he only groped you and you punched him I guess I see it. Idk. I've been groped by guys and didn't punch them. I removed myself from the situation.

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If somebody intentionally tries to touch you in a private area that's assault.

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Homophobic much there, JF?

I wonder why that might be.

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No, I've met gay people and they were quite decent. Why do you ask?

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Do you get sexually assaulted by children often? What's the difference if it's a woman or a man who gropes you? The response should be the same...if it's just a grope walk away. If they come after you, you defend yourself. A punch probably isn't the first response to a grope.

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You do understand that a grope means to intentionally try to touch somebody in a private area, a part of the body that would be covered by a bathing suit. The difference between a man doing it vs a woman or a child is that a man is usually going to be a much greater physical threat than a woman or child and thus it stands to reason you can use a greater level of force against a man than you can against a woman or child.

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So, I recommend you avoid places where men or women are trying to grope or fondle you against your will.

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So are you saying not to go to college?

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If somebody intentionally tries to touch you in a private area that's assault.

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An attempted assault does not require a physical response. Removing yourself from the situation, or at best slapping the hand away, and calling the police is a more acceptable response.

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you can use a greater level of force against a man than you can against a woman or child.

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Just because you can do something does not mean you have to. Again, if it is simply an attempt: you slap the hand away, remove yourself from the situation and call the police. If they actually get a hold of your junk, then I could see decking them.

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So are you saying not to go to college?

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Do you have a problem at your college with men and women trying to grab your junk? If so, it might be time to try a different school.

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psst...ee...it's because he wants "self-defense" to be magic words that will allow him to throw punches and walk away with no legal issues. There just HAS to be a situation where he gets to punch people and not have to suffer any repercussions and he thinks maybe a sex angle will allow him to do it.

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No, I would not want it to come to that. The best case scenario is where nobody would give me any reason to throw punches and so therefore I wouldn't have to throw punches at anybody. Another words, I would prefer to not be attacked in the first place. But in this world where stuff like that can happen I want to be prepared.

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Just because you can do something does not mean you have to. Again, if it is simply an attempt: you slap the hand away, remove yourself from the situation and call the police. If they actually get a hold of your junk, then I could see decking them.

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Alright, you've got a good point. If they try to grope you than slapping their hand away could suffice but if they actually do manage to touch you somewhere that they shouldn't as you point out that could be grounds for throwing a punch. And you shouldn't get in trouble for that as its self defense.

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Do you have a problem at your college with men and women trying to grab your junk? If so, it might be time to try a different school.

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College is where people can really go wild. Its often when people experience for the first time living in a home away from home and people do all sorts of crazy stuff.

I think your fears of same-sex sexual assault (or any kind of sexual assault, frankly) border on paranoia, in that case.

I suggest you avoid college campuses if this is the sort of thing that happens to you, or is something you truly fear. I have worked (and currently work) on a college campus and the reports of such incidents are, in a word, "minuscule."

Oh, and I have three of four children (sons) who have attended college (different ones, in fact) and none of them have had this problem.

If it happens in bars you frequent, stop going to them.

Oh, and let us know where this place is so that we might all avoid this horrendous place filled with sexual batterers! :rolleyes:

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Alright, you've got a good point. If they try to grope you than slapping their hand away could suffice but if they actually do manage to touch you somewhere that they shouldn't as you point out that could be grounds for throwing a punch. And you shouldn't get in trouble for that as its self defense.

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No, that's not what I said. I said if they grab hold. If they touch, you slap at most. If they touch and release, you slap at most. If they try to touch, you slap at most. If they grab hold and keep hold, then I would say a punch might be in order.

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If somebody intentionally tries to touch you in a private area that's assault.



No, I've met gay people and they were quite decent. Why do you ask?



You do understand that a grope means to intentionally try to touch somebody in a private area, a part of the body that would be covered by a bathing suit. The difference between a man doing it vs a woman or a child is that a man is usually going to be a much greater physical threat than a woman or child and thus it stands to reason you can use a greater level of force against a man than you can against a woman or child.



So are you saying not to go to college?

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Really? Please tell me more about the definition of sexual assault and harassment. I was only a Sexual Assault Response Coordinator in the Army for 2 1/2 years before my current assignment. Smh.

The few times I have had guys touch me without my consent was early on in my Army career before SHARP was a focus and when people didn't look kindly on those who reported harassment and assault. One incident was after a ball in a leadership school - I was one of two females in the platoon. Guys behind me in the formation were all drunk (we had to wait to get released to the barracks) talking about my ass and so on. One guy touched it - I walked to the other end of the squad I was in. The other incident was someone who I thought was a friend but he was just a pervert and I was helping him with some paperwork, night shift in Iraq. He was behind me and he kept bumping his groin against me and laughing. I kept saying stop. He didn't. I said if you don't stop I will yell and the guys next door will come over. He stopped. I told one of my male friends who went all big brother but that was it.

Groping isn't just in a private area. Sorry. Again how many kids are you around who sexually assault you? I think you should tell their parents they are groping you. And if a woman is doing it report her. No you can't use different levels of force against children or women and men. Either type of force you use you could be arrested. Again if children are sexually assaulting you that's a very odd thing.

No not go to college but if someone is groping you against your will report them or avoid the place they are at if you aren't comfortable reporting them.

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Quoting Justified Force

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No, I would not want it to come to that. The best case scenario is where nobody would give me any reason to throw punches and so therefore I wouldn't have to throw punches at anybody. Another words, I would prefer to not be attacked in the first place. But in this world where stuff like that can happen I want to be prepared.



Alright, you've got a good point. If they try to grope you than slapping their hand away could suffice but if they actually do manage to touch you somewhere that they shouldn't as you point out that could be grounds for throwing a punch. And you shouldn't get in trouble for that as its self defense.



College is where people can really go wild. Its often when people experience for the first time living in a home away from home and people do all sorts of crazy stuff.

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Not everyone "goes wild" in college. What college do you go to? Holy crap. I didn't do any "crazy" stuff in college. Not everyone loses their damn mind at college.

You just don't seem to get the concept of self defense and I don't think you will.