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  • 11-01-2016, 11:55 AM
    Dogmatique
    Re: High Dose Pain Meds. No Taper Down, Forced Cold Turkey, Won't Send New Doctor Med
    I concur with the others.

    I also think you're placing the blame on the wrong person.
  • 11-01-2016, 12:30 PM
    mrlookitup
    Re: High Dose Pain Meds. No Taper Down, Forced Cold Turkey, Won't Send New Doctor Med
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    I concur with the others.

    I also think you're placing the blame on the wrong person.

    please....do elaborate.
    i did mention my phone was shut off for non payment. thats my fault.

    how ever right on gov website it says he cant hold my records for not paying for services received.
    and how is it fair to charge me just to tell me get out.....
    seriously...maybe im looking at it wrong. thats why im here asking.
  • 11-01-2016, 12:44 PM
    Mercy&Grace
    Re: High Dose Pain Meds. No Taper Down, Forced Cold Turkey, Won't Send New Doctor Med
    If he normally writes patients a Suboxone prescription when he dismisses them, maybe he thought he wrote you one. Although I don't know how you could convince him of this. Unless you called and asked them to check your chart and see if there is a prescription there.

    If you want to see a new doctor, you are going to have to pay the doctor or hire an attorney. I'm pretty sure paying the doctor will be much cheaper. You can file a Federal Complaint, but that is not going to help you get your medical records any time soon.
  • 11-01-2016, 05:46 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: High Dose Pain Meds. No Taper Down, Forced Cold Turkey, Won't Send New Doctor Med
    The consistent complaint is that the doctor won't give you a copy of your records until you pay what you owe.

    You have been told that your doctor must provide to your new doctor(s) sufficient medical records to ensure continuity of care. To them, not to you. Not all, just those necessary.

    If you insist upon putting yourself in the middle, you are creating the problem instead of solving it.

    If the new pain doctor won't accept you as a patient until you produce records from your old pain doctor, and also won't accept the hospital records as an alternative, and in fact your former doctor won't provide those records necessary for continuity of care directly to the new doctor, then go to a different doctor. There are lots of doctors to choose from.
  • 11-01-2016, 06:08 PM
    Mercy&Grace
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    The consistent complaint is that the doctor won't give you a copy of your records until you pay what you owe.

    You have been told that your doctor must provide to your new doctor(s) sufficient medical records to ensure continuity of care. To them, not to you. Not all, just those necessary.

    If you insist upon putting yourself in the middle, you are creating the problem instead of solving it.

    If the new pain doctor won't accept you as a patient until you produce records from your old pain doctor, and also won't accept the hospital records as an alternative, and in fact your former doctor won't provide those records necessary for continuity of care directly to the new doctor, then go to a different doctor. There are lots of doctors to choose from.

    mrlookitup, did you tell the doctors offices you called that wouldn't take you as a patient the meds and doses you had been on ? You need to be preoared to take a much lower dose of pain meds.

    Mr. Knowitall, The OP was on a high dose of opiates. That may make it difficult for them to find a new doctor. If the OP broke any of the rules, that will make it close to impossible for them to find a new pain doctor.
  • 11-01-2016, 06:45 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
    Re: High Dose Pain Meds. No Taper Down, Forced Cold Turkey, Won't Send New Doctor Med
    The OP has indicated that he has spoken to only one other doctor, and has given a dubious explanation for why that doctor won't provide treatment. Besides, according to the OP he's off the high doses of medication, so it's not an issue of walking into a doctor's office and demanding continuation of those high doses -- it's a blank slate. Further, the OP did receive inpatient treatment in a hospital, and would have been treated by doctors in that hospital who are very familiar with opiate medication and management of high doses of medication.

    The OP has identified only one issue with getting treatment from the new doctor: Provision of medical records. If the new doctor is refusing to treat the patient because the prior doctor stopped treatment over a missed pill count, that's not something that would be changed based upon provision of medical records. Recall, the OP does not deny missing the pill count, but instead argues that the missed pill count should have been excused.

    It also strikes me as odd that a doctor would terminate a patient who had no other violations of a contract for care other than a single missed pill count.
  • 11-01-2016, 07:37 PM
    Mercy&Grace
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    It also strikes me as odd that a doctor would terminate a patient who had no other violations of a contract for care other than a single missed pill count.

    Mr. Knowitall, now days, it is not uncommon for a pain doctor to dismiss a patient for a missed pill count. Pain doctors are getting stricter than they have been before. Some pain doctors are also dismissing patients that have problems paying them or complain about the cost of visits, drug screens, etc. The OP mentioned he was paying him twice a month. I don't know if the OP was seeing the doctor twice a month or just making payments twice a month.
  • 11-01-2016, 08:33 PM
    Mark47n
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    The OP mentioned he was paying him twice a month. I don't know if the OP was seeing the doctor twice a month or just making payments twice a month.
    The OP is paying the doctor every two months and is more than passingly familiar with the doctors limits on just how overdue the OP can be. It's in the first post.
  • 11-01-2016, 08:39 PM
    Mr. Knowitall
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    Mr. Knowitall, now days, it is not uncommon for a pain doctor to dismiss a patient for a missed pill count.

    It is not unusual for a doctor to dismiss a patient for a missed pill count when there have been other issues with the patient. It remains unusual for a doctor to dismiss a patient for a single missed pill count after years of treatment, with no other issues and without even asking for an explanation.
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