Falsely Accused of Grand Theft of a Motor Vehicle

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Quoting Anonomous1

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Please stop posting in here.. your stupidity is nauseating.

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OK fraudster OK...

I own three cars, a motorcycle and a trailer, I have never or will never sign a title over to anyone in case something happens to me...lol

I just noticed something. In the first post you state you have a title in your name. You later state you signed the title and delivered it to the other guy. How can both be true?

I have a copy of the title in my name... and the receipt for the cost to do so.

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Quoting Anonomous1

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I have a copy of the title in my name... and the receipt for the cost to do so.

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And what did you sign and deliver to the other guy?

are you saying you fraudulently obtained a copy of the title after you deliverered the signed title to the other guy?

He made a copy of the title after he registered the van in his name for crying out loud. Lots of people do to have a record of it. It's not a duplicate or forged document. It's a copy for the file.

I recently sold my Harley. I made a copy of the filled out and signed title before turning it over to the buyer. You think I committed a fraud?

One more comment about that title being signed with no date or buyer. What date do you think the DMV will say the van changed owners? The date OP signed it and gave it to his boss or the date the boss put on the title and re-registered the van?

What the DMV will think is largely irrelevant. It's what the court will think. The vehicle ownership was legally conveyed when he handed over the signed title.

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Quoting budwad

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What date do you think the DMV will say the van changed owners? The date OP signed it and gave it to his boss or the date the boss put on the title and re-registered the van?

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My guess is the OP signed the title without dating it...

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Quoting budwad

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He made a copy of the title after he registered the van in his name for crying out loud. Lots of people do to have a record of it. It's not a duplicate or forged document. It's a copy for the file.

I recently sold my Harley. I made a copy of the filled out and signed title before turning it over to the buyer. You think I committed a fraud?

One more comment about that title being signed with no date or buyer. What date do you think the DMV will say the van changed owners? The date OP signed it and gave it to his boss or the date the boss put on the title and re-registered the van?

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I know what he did but it was obtained under false pretenses. He had already relinquished ownership back to the employer. What he did was fraudulently obtain a copy of the title.

Title changed ownership the instant op signed the title and delivered it to another party.

You made a copy, a Xerox if you will, of THE title. Op filed for and obtained a DUPLICATE of a title he had already relinquished to another. Did you commit fraud? Nope. Did op? Yep.

JK, OP (I think) is referring to the title that was in his name for months before he signed the blank title. He is saying that he has proof that the van was titled to him and not that he has gotten a duplicate title after signing the blank title.

So what was the valuable consideration for this transaction (that the seller is required fill out and sign)? And when was the van delivered to the buyer? Inquiring minds would like to know.

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Quoting budwad

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JK, OP (I think) is referring to the title that was in his name for months before he signed the blank title. He is saying that he has proof that the van was titled to him and not that he has gotten a duplicate title after signing the blank title.

So what was the valuable consideration for this transaction (that the seller is required fill out and sign)? And when was the van delivered to the buyer? Inquiring minds would like to know.

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If that is the case, then the copy is meaningless and if he uses that copy to prove ownership, for any period of time after he signed and delivered title to the employer, to the police or anywhere else, it in itself could be a criminal act.

And if you read the thread, it does not appear op held title for months. It sounds like as soon as he registered the van he signed the title back over to the employer. In the end it really doesn't matter since at some point prior to ending the employment relationship he did relinquish ownership back to the employer. At that time, barring a contract, possession was at the whim of the employer. When employer said; I want my van back, immediately, op was obligated to relinquish control, immediately. Op could have parked it along side the road or performed as owner desired but one thing op could not legally do; continue to exercise dominion over the van.

There does not have to be "valuable consideration"'to transfer title. That applies if one is attempting to enforce a contract but if you want it that way; what was the valuable consideration op delivered when receiving title to the van? Title (ownership) can be gifted and apparently was, twice, in the case at hand.

the delivery of the van itself is irrelevant. Title (ownership) transferred when op signed the title AND delivered it to another party.